On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 12:36:23PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Axel Thimm wrote : > > > Sorry, but I miss the humor in this, and I'm busy fixing broken stuff > > to get further into this. > > Well, don't think just about the present, think about the long term : > You'll also be getting annoying reports about overriding Extras > packages regarding libpri, zaptel and asterisk, and the usual bad > publicity that accompanies it :-( > We'd be all much better off if it can be avoided! > > To avoid this you could have submitted your packages for Extras > inclusion, but it's too late now. What you can do is : When I offered it was said that zaptel is dead-before-review and the rest due to being dependent as well. > 1) Try to pause the asterisk inclusion into Extras until further > discussion happens (i.e. someone answers the "Why a beta?") No, I'm not going to battle this, and there is no way to "pause" this, after someone's "go" it's was blitz-reviewed and pushed into the repo in lightning speed - I wish my FE packages would slide in like that. There is no mechanism anymore to fix any of this short of the ugly introduction of epochs. I hate epochs and even more so being forced to use them. > 2) Try to have asterisk and its dependencies not released for FC5 Matthias, if it were not *already* released into FC5 and FC6 the bug would not had shown up! > I understand why you're unhappy, but I'm just trying to point out that > you need to understand that the small "Red Hat Linux" ecosystem has now > evolved in a much more complex "Fedora Core + Fedora Extras" one, Exactly and with size comes responsibility. Stamping over existing infrastucture is an unhealthy ecosystem. > think "Extras for RHEL" which has been mentioned a few times > already, for which I really encourage you to get involved ASAP I am even on a non-public list from very early on this matter, so be assured I'm pushing this as well. But it can't be all one-sided. It can't be that (again) the burden lies outside of FE. I've been trying to support FE in the last year as well as I can, and instead of getting the projects closer or some positive feedback I get more breakage and what is funny even more alienation from Joe Random. I'm quite burned out (once again), and need to cater for ATrpms first. Just as as side-note: There is even a paragraph in some of our guidelines of trying to be compatible in some choices with other distributions like SuSE and Debian. But the own 3rd-party repos are ignored. The revolution eats its children. Anyway, too much talk once again. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
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