As a follow up about community outreach... As a user I follow planet.fedoraproject.org religiously. Just noticed the "Sub-Projects" section on the left side a minute ago. "Oh! Documentation has their own planet! Cool! *Clicks link*" ... dead link: https://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/docsproject/
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Eric Griffith <egriffith92@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'd have no problem working on the F21 release notes, though one page I did see that could use some love is actually the wiki page for joining a Fedora SIG (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG). There's nothing majorly wrong with it, just two things I noticed:I can hop on IRC no problem, the only issue I might have is the meetings unfortunately. I'm on USA Eastern which puts the meeting at 0900-- right in the middle of one of my classes. If there's minutes posted afterwards I can definitely look over the minutes and take note of anything that came up however.Sorry about the delay on this response guys, this week has been the "Lets get moved into college!" week so: busy busy busy.I shall look over the 'reading material' above and take it to heart.
1) The artwork on there (no offense meant to Nitesh Narayan Lal) seems to be using an older version of the Fedora Mascot (Panda? Polar Bear? Teddy Bear? I never figured out what the mascot was, to be honest), which makes it look off compared to the artwork on say... https://fedoraproject.org/en/download-splash
2) Vertically done images that waste content-space, where a horizontal image set would have fit perfectly.Now, I'm not claiming to be some great artist or anything like that. But I can play around with the images in gimp a bit, or if someone can point me in the direction of the artist that DID the download splash mascot images I can talk to them and see if they can do updated-versions of the Join_SIG page.
Now onto Pete's question...How many SIG leaders sit on the forums? Or at least check in? The ones that do... If you see someone posting a lot of good content do you reach out to them and offer them to join the SIG? For the Docs group I would suggest watching for good tutorials, howto's, troubleshooting steps, etc. Why are the forums unofficial to begin with? Why is it forums.fedoraforums.org and not forums.fedoraproject.org? Users will use the forums. Users will LOOK for forums for help, not mailing lists. Mailing lists are good for developers-- people who are constantly involved with the project. Forums are one-shot affairs, they ask a question they get an answer, they don't come back until they have another problem. OR.. Forums are used by those trying to target the one-shot users. The ones who are writing tutorials and howto's, the ones who are looking out for the beginner users. Why are they on the forums? Because they know their audience. They know the target of their writings are not on the mailing lists, they are on the forums.
How much of the Fedora design process is done in the open on the forums? I'm thinking of KDE's recent push with the Visual Design Group. A lot of work is happening and being talked about on blogs and such, but a lot is also happening in the Visual Design Group's dedicated forums. They are engaging users where the users are, and they are getting feedback. Sure, sometimes this feedback is just "Yay" or "Nay" but sometimes this feedback is in the form of a counter-proposal. That person, the one who just drew up a counter-proposal, they just got introduced to and dipped their feet into Visual Design. Never know, might inspire them to help out and contribute more often.
The metaphor and relationship I was trying to create isn't perfect between the Fedora's Doc SIG and KDE's VDG, but I hope I made my point with how much of a mirror there could be.On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Pete Travis <me@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Welcome Eric! I'm glad you've decided to join us. Petr has coveredOn 08/21/2014 01:20 PM, Eric Griffith wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I have used Fedora for a number of years now (a few of you may have
> seen me in the forums, or on Phoronix), but I have decided that I wish
> to finally contribute to the project itself. As I just starting to
> learn Python, C++, and HTML/CSS/JS, but I am starting school for a
> Bachelor's Of English, I thought documentation would be the best way
> to start and get my foot in the door.
>
> I am also requesting permission to join the "docs" group on FAS for my
> user (egriffith), as well as a pointing-in-the-right-direction for
> where to get started contributing.
>
>
> Cheers,
> --Ericg--
the reading material and social arrangements, so hopefully we'll hear
more from you. Ironically the docs on joining docs sometimes need the
most attention, so if you find something that doesn't quite add up, ask
questions or take the initiative and edit. We can get so focused on
today's priority that maintenance might need someone to complain :)
That brings another idea to my caffeine-deprived mind. ( You'll notice
that we aren't shy about throwing around ideas before they're fully
formed; the group does a great job of forging idle thoughts into
productive ideas - or slag... ) You're coming from a part of the Fedora
community we don't hear a lot from. It's always bothered me that there
are so many people investing vast amounts of time and wit into forums
discussions about Fedora, but we don't hear from them often. Fedora
Docs has had a lot of discussions about community outreach, getting
feedback and input from the 'unofficial' community areas like
fedoraforum.org, and using the information to incrementally improve our
offerings or write new things targeting their needs.
Eric, as an established participant there, where do you think we need to
improve to better address the needs of that section of the user base?
Are there any pain points that come up regularly that we could address
with better docs? Do you have any ideas about how we can establish an
effective feedback loop?
While we're pondering all that, yes, please do help with the release
notes! At this stage in their development, we're doing a lot of
research and dumping info into the wiki at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats . Later the
info gets converted into docbook and committed into the git repository
for the RNs, but now, the focus is on content.
Of course, if you had *anything else* in mind to write about, we can
find a place for that too. There's lots to work on - what would you like
to do?
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