On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 13:13, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Do you see what I'm getting at? I think this was the point Karsten was > making. He killed the horse with a single, subtle shot, whereas I am now > beating its dead, flyblown corpse. :-P (yuck, sorry) I think both you and Dalibor were eloquent and accurate, and I think the three of us are all essentially saying the same thing. "Free is free is free." When you introduce non-free, you get a chain like this: "Free is free is not-free." Ooops, broken. Here is the bottom line -- we will *not* be able to put a non-free toolchain in Fedora. We might as well rename our project and do something else, if that is what we are going to do. The Fedora community won't stand for it, packages won't get included, etc. However, if we do the right thing and remain 100% free, then we get the entire community's support. Meaning compiler engineers will debug our compiler problems for us. :) The fact is, no matter what we choose, there will be bugs to fix now and later. Proprietary software is not free of bugs, it's just free of the ability to fix it yourself _within_your_community_. On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 14:03, Dave Pawson wrote: > > So much for community development? > > > Bye. Dave, if this is truly a good-bye, I'm sorry to see you go. You have brought a perspective and opinion that, at least, keeps us on our toes. I don't always agree with you, that's obvious, but I appreciate your input, energy, focus, passion, community spirit, and expertise. On the last item, the project needs your contributions to the present and future toolchain, whether done as part of this project, or just in the work you do otherwise. However, if you are not playing Devil's advocate or are just troll-baiting for the fun of it, and you _truly_ disagree with these simple fundamentals of free software development, then I can't see how we can work together within the Fedora documentation project. If there is something you are not understanding or appreciating about free software and the reality of open source development, I will be happy to continue to explain. At the moment, it sounds as if we are at an impasse, in that you disagree with the most basic concepts at the heart of Fedora. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, Tech Writer a lemon is just a melon in disguise http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41
