On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 18:47, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > So ... should we abandon all this stuff and use Framemaker + SGML? > > More extremism Karsten? > > Your use of the word "extremism" is ungracious. I would recommend you > take a look again at the Fedora Project overall goals: I use extreme in its simplest form Paul. Out at one end. I never mentioned Frame or SGML in this thread. > > "The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to > build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free > software." > > The Docs Project, which is part of the overall Fedora Project, builds > documentation which is to eventually be included in the operating > system, as a fedora-docs RPM I would imagine. Any .src.rpm in the Fedora > tree should be buildable on Fedora itself, with free software. Karsten's > point -- which is the same as my earlier point in essenc, I think, > although Karsten may correct me if I'm wrong -- is that when we add > non-free tools to the toolchain we break the project. Period. OK, that's enough for me. > > I don't know much about some of the tools whose names have been bandied > about, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant is their status as free > software (or otherwise). If it's not free we shouldn't be using it. To > do otherwise runs directly counter to the ambitions of the Project. Set by RH? A commercial supplier. > It's > not about being a zealot; it's about simply accepting the goals of the > &FP; and the &FDP;. They are what they are, and our project either > follows them or gets jettisoned. There are other options. > > Your skills, my skills, and/or Karsten's skills are not particularly > relevant to the discussion either. You're missing the forest for the > trees here. What Karsten is saying, I think, is that any reliance on > non-free software puts us at the mercy of that tool. I'd use the word extreme again. I really don't believe the statement above. > I'm in agreement with Karsten, for the > reasons stated in my topmost comments. OK. > > > > OK lets blame someone else. > > My usual question now follows. Who? > > > > Can you point to a document/person/project manager who has this > > documented somewhere? > > There's no reason to "blame" anyone. The goals of the Fedora Project are > axiomatic -- or more correctly, maxims, meaning they are principles that > we accept when we participate. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is > free to move ahead with their own project. These goals, and their > antecedents (see above), are not really something subject to discussion > and mitigation. So much for community development? Bye.
