On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 13:15 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 09:06 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> > >> wrote: > >> On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:24 +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote: > >> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 04:49:33PM +0200, shmuel siegel > >> wrote: > >> > > Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the code did > >> that > >> > > deliberately? Maybe someone thought that it would be a > >> good idea for > >> > > usable consoles numbers to start at 1? Or someone thought > >> that once > >> > > people started down a certain path with conventions, it > >> shouldn't be > >> > > changed unless the people saw a real benefit. > >> > > >> > Haven't you heard? If you're not a graphical-only > >> desktop-type single > >> > user working on a laptop, you're not relevant. > >> > >> Exactly - nothing much to add. > >> > >> Time to evaluate other distros. > >> > >> > >> > >> I can think of better reasons to switch distros other than what tty X > >> is run on. > >> > > True, but it's one brick in a lengthy series of stupid and silly > > decisions, which have been gradually running down Fedora into this > > single-user windows clone it has evolved into. > > > > > Are you serious? Really? Yes, I am. > You must have a very tenuous grasp of OS internals. > > Who does this affect? E.g. application devs, documentation writers, experienced users. The only party to which this change doesn't make a difference is total newcomers. > 1) People using the console a lot who also run X (remember, runlevel 3 > hasn't changed). That's my standard use case, because I do need X11 running most of the time on my machines. I log into them on consoles and launch a desktop via startx, when I need it. > Desktop users don't use consoles, server users don't > use X (I hope). Only a few species of geek remain. Not true. Most "Win converts" (I prefer them call them Win-kiddies) are working on "personal machines" and are running X11-Desktops. For other users (feel free to call them them "geeks", X11/gdm etc. are just avoidable ballast. > 2) People recovering from X crashes. Bugs. Errors. Things we could be > fixing and making not happen rather than accommodating this bizzare F1 > fetish. Once more, your "F1 fetish" to me is a silly, avoidable change, whose only feature it is to break documentations, habits and to add further hassle. A completely superfluous change. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
