Denis Leroy wrote:
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
And that's ok. Do remember that X was defined at a time hardware was
vastly less powerful and core X is not wasteful at all. Compared to
how the rest of the system has bloated, X is definitely lean and mean.
I agree with that point. Does an X-based mingetty replacement actually
exists ? Something that's proven to be sufficiently fail-safe (will work
even with half-broken X configurations and such?).
This is getting really confusing.
There will NEVER be a "X-based mingetty replacement". At least because
mingetty is "_MINIMAL_ getty for consoles".
Having to run X (and you know... it won't start with less then 256M ram)
on every machine with Fedora is a real problem.
For example on the desktop I'm writing from (and I'm sure not only here)
X is always high in top with both CPU and memory usage, it's the most
frequently crashing/freezing part of the system. And I don't think it
will ever change. You know, X is doing a really complex job.
Input/output devices, resolution changing, 3D acceleration, broken
games... They will always cause problems. I don't think it's possible to
create fail-safe X.
Having this problems on a machine which will never benefit from X, is a
rel problem.
On the other hand I rarely see mingetty sessions crash. And if
mingetty+bash+mc+gpm is more than enough for a system, having a full X
stack running on it is overkill (or stupid).
There are a lot of people in the community pushing really hard to make
Fedora a "Desktop OS", "desktop product". These people must understand
that their desktop isn't the only (and I hope not even the most
important) place Fedora is supposed to run. I personally run it on a
desktop a laptop and 6 servers. I like NetworkManager running on the
laptop. It makes switching from network to network very easy, it works
perfectly with wireless networks. But NetworkManager enabled by default
on a server I install is really confusing. It makes my (professional)
life harder. If we continue making power users'/administrators' life
harder while we try to be more "user-friendly" (and by user we always
think Joe-clueless) we will loose them. And this special kind of users
are the most important (correct me if I'm wrong) for Free Software.
And I would like to thank You for Your time if You managed to read till
here :)
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