On Monday, 15 September 2008 at 14:26, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le Lun 15 septembre 2008 14:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski a écrit : > > > > On Monday, 15 September 2008 at 13:39, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> > > >> The console has not evolved for a long time, while text requirements > >> have gone up. At this point a dumbed down text-only X session is > >> probably the only credible console future (or something that is not > >> X > >> at all but uses many libraries we associate with apps now). > > > > Irrelevant. I'm not saying the text mode console has to have the > > same usability as a full-screen terminal emulator running on X. > > That may be irrelevant for you but that's not irrelevant for me both > as a console user and as someone who is an upstream maintainer for my > language of some of the bits the console use. Read the second sentence again. > The separation between the X text stack and the console text stack is > not worth the maintenance burden. As evidenced by the fact the > maintenance part of the console text stack (even as > iso-functionnality) is not done properly anymore. Please point to the evidenced fact. > >> Non-X-console state is so bad nowadays I don't bother reporting bugs > >> on it. Even if they are fixed they always reappear the next Fedora > >> cycle. There is simply not enough console users and console > >> developpers to do anything but life support anymore. > > > > I don't know of any bugs that prevent me or my colleagues from using > > the text mode console. > > Lucky you. > > > That's not to say they don't exist, but I've > > never heard of any problems with the console either personally or from > > my colleagues. > > So it works for you. > OSS works for some people too. Do you mean Open Source Software or Open Sound System? In case of OSS, it's realy a shame, because it was (and still is) a great piece of software with nice API and doesn't require any external libraries like ALSA. But you can't compare console/X to OSS/ALSA. The latter provide functionality on the same level, the former are completely different. > >> And that's ok. Do remember that X was defined at a time hardware was > >> vastly less powerful and core X is not wasteful at all. Compared to > >> how the rest of the system has bloated, X is definitely lean and > >> mean. > > > > That doesn't mean you have to disable the text mode console. > > Do you volunteer for maintening all the stuff text mode console relies > on (fonts, layout definitions, etc)? Please point me to what needs maintaining and I'll see if I can get one of my colleagues to handle that. Regards, R. -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann Livna http://rpm.livna.org | MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu "Faith manages." -- Delenn to Lennier in Babylon 5:"Confessions and Lamentations" -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
