On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:31 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 10:27 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > >> > A few weeks back the releng team made a schedule adjustment, to make > >> up > >> > for lost rawhide time due to the intrusion. When we made that > >> schedule > >> > adjustment, we had assumed having a working rawhide within days of > >> that > >> > meeting, giving us a week or so worth of working rawhide to shake out > >> > any pre-beta bugs we wanted to. > >> > > >> > Unfortunately, while we were able to /attempt/ rawhide creation as > >> > scheduled, a series of software bugs and bad personnel timing has > >> > prevented those attempts from producing usable rawhide images until > >> > basically today (and today's are pretty shaky from what I hear). This > >> > is not so good, as without an installable rawhide, we don't get a good > >> > idea as to how the installer is working, and we miss out on a lot of > >> > 'initial install' testing of software on people's systems. We get a > >> lot > >> > of "I upgraded from foo" type testing, which definitely has it's > >> value, > >> > but I feel we're missing a pretty key part of the rawhide experience. > >> > > >> > The Beta freeze is set for Tomorrow. That means the content that > >> would > >> > show up in tomorrow's rawhide would also be the content we use as the > >> > basis of Beta. Any changes after that would have to be ran through > >> the > >> > releng/qa teams to be approved. > >> > > >> > Given the "fun" we had with Alpha, I really feel that it would be > >> > prudent to spend a few more unfrozen days with a hopefully continually > >> > working rawhide installer so that we can do some of that last minute > >> > testing of what's wrong before we freeze, and hopefully have a shorter > >> > and more productive freeze period. But this is just my opinion, and > >> > thus I'm putting this out there for discussion. > >> > > >> > Feature owners in particular, I'm interested in your opinions as to if > >> > you need a few more days to see what shape your features are in before > >> > we freeze. Ideally the week before a freeze would have been a slow > >> down > >> > period, where large changes were avoided and bugfixing was focused on > >> so > >> > that the Beta was useful. I feel like we didn't give you a chance to > >> do > >> > this and it'll still feel like crash landing planes on the carrier > >> deck > >> > when it come to features in Beta. > >> > > >> > I'm interested in what the rest of you think as well, both package > >> > owners and testers alike. If you think our schedule time would be > >> > better spent fixing and verifying things pre-freeze and adding an > >> extra > >> > week to the schedule, or just freeze as things are, and potentially > >> slip > >> > a week during the freeze to make everything usable for the Beta (or > >> the > >> > third option, things are fine as they are, just freeze and release as > >> > scheduled and stop being so paranoid). > >> > > >> > What say you? > >> > >> Wait a bit, maybe slip the release a week if you have to. Better > >> slippage > >> than suckage, IMHO. After the intrusion, I think users will understand. > > > > slipping the release a week gets complicated as we get dangerously close > > to thanksgiving in the US which takes a huge number of contributors out > > of the world. > > Are you suggesting that after a large meal containing high quantities of > starch, tryptophan, and alcohol, I might not be at my best? > > For shame. ;) No, I'm saying most of us don't want to work through that weekend. I know I don't. :) -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
