A few weeks back the releng team made a schedule adjustment, to make up for lost rawhide time due to the intrusion. When we made that schedule adjustment, we had assumed having a working rawhide within days of that meeting, giving us a week or so worth of working rawhide to shake out any pre-beta bugs we wanted to. Unfortunately, while we were able to /attempt/ rawhide creation as scheduled, a series of software bugs and bad personnel timing has prevented those attempts from producing usable rawhide images until basically today (and today's are pretty shaky from what I hear). This is not so good, as without an installable rawhide, we don't get a good idea as to how the installer is working, and we miss out on a lot of 'initial install' testing of software on people's systems. We get a lot of "I upgraded from foo" type testing, which definitely has it's value, but I feel we're missing a pretty key part of the rawhide experience. The Beta freeze is set for Tomorrow. That means the content that would show up in tomorrow's rawhide would also be the content we use as the basis of Beta. Any changes after that would have to be ran through the releng/qa teams to be approved. Given the "fun" we had with Alpha, I really feel that it would be prudent to spend a few more unfrozen days with a hopefully continually working rawhide installer so that we can do some of that last minute testing of what's wrong before we freeze, and hopefully have a shorter and more productive freeze period. But this is just my opinion, and thus I'm putting this out there for discussion. Feature owners in particular, I'm interested in your opinions as to if you need a few more days to see what shape your features are in before we freeze. Ideally the week before a freeze would have been a slow down period, where large changes were avoided and bugfixing was focused on so that the Beta was useful. I feel like we didn't give you a chance to do this and it'll still feel like crash landing planes on the carrier deck when it come to features in Beta. I'm interested in what the rest of you think as well, both package owners and testers alike. If you think our schedule time would be better spent fixing and verifying things pre-freeze and adding an extra week to the schedule, or just freeze as things are, and potentially slip a week during the freeze to make everything usable for the Beta (or the third option, things are fine as they are, just freeze and release as scheduled and stop being so paranoid). What say you? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating
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