Alexandre Oliva wrote:
On Mar 25, 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Alexandre Oliva wrote:
But this doesn't get me a kernel I can distribute today. Or a kernel
I can use today. Or a kernel that could go in Fedora 9.
No, it wouldn't but we need to look at this from a long term
perspective as well. If we agree to introducing a variant today, what
have you planned to merge these changes upstream?
No plan, just awareness that upstream isn't interested in hearing
about this, especially from people like me, and realization that I'm
unsuited to make the suggested changes.
I don't know. There is gNewSense, Blag, Gubuntu etc and how much
duplication of effort is going on? Atleast consolidate that effort and
someone among these groups drive these changes upstream.
And we're not even talking about patches. We're talking about a bunch
of 'rm -f's over upstream tarballs and 'sed "/x/,/y/d"' over upstream
patches. Think IcedTea.
And then, if the kernel is indeed headed to moving firmware out, then
it's even more like IcedTea, because we'll eventually be able to
discontinue the separate package, in a similar fashion to the decision
to stop shipping non-smp kernels for x86_64.
There is a critical difference. IcedTea was announced to be a temporary
stop gap measure till upstream replaced non-free bits and that wasn't
just happening on it's own but being driven (atleast in part) by work
done within IcedTea. In other words, instead of waiting for it to happen
somehow, we actively contributed.
I understand that. I wish it could just be accepted as a package like
any other. I don't quite see why the fact that it's an alternate
kernel is such a big deal. Considering the social and political
issues, I don't see that this should be decided solely from a
technical standpoint.
Well the technical standpoints can't be dismissed. Instead of going in
circles, my suggestion would be to escalate this to Fedora Board/FESCo
or otherwise just submit the package. Either that package submission
will be stalled with no sponsor willing to approve it or Fedora
Board/FESco will step in and make a decision. I will let them worry
about the consistency of that decision with the existence of kernel-xen.
Rahul
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