Re: kernel-libre (hopefully 100% Free) for Fedora 8 and rawhide

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Alexandre Oliva wrote:
On Mar 23, 2008, "Jeff Spaleta" <jspaleta@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That being said, I'd like to see this effort integrated into our existing
kernel package if its possible.

It really isn't.  It's not just that I'm not much of a kernel hacker,
it's that upstream isn't all that interested in getting rid of stuff
that requires non-Free firmware.

I wouldn't really say that. A number of kernel developers have expressed interest in getting it done and they can probably outline a good path to do so. It is different from the method you are trying here and IMO it is in your interest to listen.

Now, if one would try to convince upstream media players developed in
software patent-free countries to remove say mp3 just because Fedora
has decided not to ship mp3, you can understand what kind of battle
I'd be up to if I were to try to convince maintainers of individual
portions of the kernel to get rid of the stuff they care about.

This has happened before though. Upstream projects are willing to separate out as plugins functionality that downstream distributions can't or don't want to include so that we can pick and choose what we want. Ex: gstreamer.

Similarly, you can choose to incrementally move things out of the kernel which judging from this thread is a approach that Fedora can work with without having to introduce a new kernel. A new kernel might not be major work for you but it is a overhead for things like QA. Just look at the mess with a separate xen kernel to understand this.

Rahul

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