On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:33 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Jan 25, 2008 1:59 AM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 23:47 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Jan 24, 2008 11:38 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Also, wouldn't you consider the fact Ubuntu launches "Ubuntu LTS" to be > > > > evidence enough that others see a market nice? > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that Ubuntu LTS is something that Canonical as a > > > business entity as chosen to launch and leverages as part of its > > > business model and is not in point of fact relying primarily on > > > community manpower to make the LTS offering actually work. Find me a > > > business entity who would like to do something similar in Fedora space > > > and I'll gladly talk to them about making room in the project. > > There is one difference between Fedora and Ubuntu: > > > > * Fedora is backed up by an actively contributing community. > > * RH/fedoraproject.org has the technical resources. > > > > There is only one thing missing: a culture of openness and a lack of > > confidence into the powers of open development. > > > > Ralf, no one but yourself is stopping you from being the catalyst for > getting people to do this. See a problem, be the agent to make it > better. When Fedora Legacy was falling apart you could have taken it > over.. Sigh, I am repeating myself over and over again: Back then, I did offer to contribute to Fedora Legacy under the "Fedora hood" when if it had used the Fedora infrastructure. Unfortunately, FESCO/FAB/FPB and RH shot any such proposal down and insisted on keeping Legacy a separate project, using its own infrastructure etc. Someday, out of blue sky, Legacy had been closed down. > but it would seem you just wanted to save up your problems for > later emails. If you want to make an LTS, then start it up. If there > is a market for it, you can find the people and money to do so. Exactly this is not what I intend. I want to see Fedora's usability improved, because as a user I feel Fedora's usability has regressed into "rawhide snapshot". I tried to propose "extending Fedora's life time under community control" as a compromise which I consider to be easily bought-in. Unfortunately, I am facing fierce opposition and feel machine-gunned, by a Fedora leadership of which I feel hasn't comprehended the powers of community support in open source. I feel you guys, are thinking in terms of enterprise product cycles, corporite commitments/ownership/control, and fencing out "non-corporite members" and close your eyes in front of the additional opportunities treating OSS development as an continuous evolving process offers. Openly said, in front of this background, I feel this Fedora leadership, esp. the @RHs within it (probably due to their corporite background), are standing in their own way. Consider all proposals I made withdrawn - You shot them down. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
