Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:16:36 +0100
Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@xxxxxx> wrote:
Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:34:16 +0100
Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@xxxxxx> wrote:
3) In the extras days I had the feeling of having some control over what FESCo
does, today I feel that certain groups within Fedora (*cough* release
engineering *cough*) are indepent islands, not that these groups are not
doing great work, but they don't seem controlled in any democratic way.
1 and 2 are not factors which can be controlled by Fedora, 3 however can. I
believe its important to fix 3, as that will make joining the government of
Fedora much more appealing.
Could you elaborate on what you see the problems being? And possible
solutions?
Some less spoonfeeding of decisions and more discussion in public instead of
presenting pre-cooked proposals the entire circle of power already agrees on,
would help greatly here.
Look at it this way, Fedora is all about Freedom, but since the merger the
Freedom for contributers (esp. packagers) has been greatly reduced. Take the
new release engineering proposals for example, I have some ideas about this,
but the entire release engineering crowd had already precooked there ideas and
unanimously disagreed with mine, or atleast that is how I perceived this.
Perhaps I missed this thread somewhere. Can you point me at it? As
far as I know, all of the Rel-Eng proposals were drafted by Jesse,
posted on fedora-devel for discussion, and then approved by rel-eng and
then FESCo.
Most typically of all this I guess is this alinea: This will probably be my
last mail in this thread, as I see no use in continuing this dicussion, why?
Because I no longer believe that discussions like this will cause any changes.
I hope that isn't the case. I'm genuinely interested in what you're
trying to point out.
Please see my reply to Jesse's post and also Thorstens reply,
Regards,
Hans
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