On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:16:36 +0100 Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@xxxxxx> wrote: > Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:34:16 +0100 > > Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@xxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> 3) In the extras days I had the feeling of having some control over what FESCo > >> does, today I feel that certain groups within Fedora (*cough* release > >> engineering *cough*) are indepent islands, not that these groups are not > >> doing great work, but they don't seem controlled in any democratic way. > >> > >> 1 and 2 are not factors which can be controlled by Fedora, 3 however can. I > >> believe its important to fix 3, as that will make joining the government of > >> Fedora much more appealing. > > > > Could you elaborate on what you see the problems being? And possible > > solutions? > > > > Some less spoonfeeding of decisions and more discussion in public instead of > presenting pre-cooked proposals the entire circle of power already agrees on, > would help greatly here. > > Look at it this way, Fedora is all about Freedom, but since the merger the > Freedom for contributers (esp. packagers) has been greatly reduced. Take the > new release engineering proposals for example, I have some ideas about this, > but the entire release engineering crowd had already precooked there ideas and > unanimously disagreed with mine, or atleast that is how I perceived this. Perhaps I missed this thread somewhere. Can you point me at it? As far as I know, all of the Rel-Eng proposals were drafted by Jesse, posted on fedora-devel for discussion, and then approved by rel-eng and then FESCo. > Most typically of all this I guess is this alinea: This will probably be my > last mail in this thread, as I see no use in continuing this dicussion, why? > Because I no longer believe that discussions like this will cause any changes. I hope that isn't the case. I'm genuinely interested in what you're trying to point out. josh -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
