On 14.11.2007 19:34, Hans de Goede wrote: > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> And 1108 open reviews in total (including lots of merge reviews (¹)) > <snip> >> I think we have a problem here. I'm actually wondering what FESCo (and >> the Board) thinks about that. > Thanks for this Thorsten, I think we as a community needed this kick in the > behind, I say we as a community, because I think its unfair to solely blame > FESCo, as you write further down your mail, there is currently little community > involvement in the governing of Fedora, no contributers other the the members > attending FESCo meetings, etc. Well, the involvement from non-FESCo members in meetings was a lot better (but still far from perfect) a year ago afaics. I actually hit the point many months ago where said "okay, I tried to do lots of stuff without being in FESCo or the Board; but it is way to hard and I'm wasting my time here". Main reason for that: I posted proposals to the list, got comments and integrated them into my proposal; some FESCo members didn't participate in the list discussions but in the meeting to vote on the porposal those suddenly said "I don't like part X". So I went back to the drawing board, list discsusion to hear in the next FESCo meeting just another FESCo member say "I don't like part Y". I went thought that loop multiple times and that was just frustrating, so I'm ATM a bit unwilling to do more stuff in Fedora-government land again before this isn't getting fixed. With getting fixed I'm not sure how to get that fixed exactly; maybe work work more towards a Meritocracy-like way and lessen the influence of the committees we have? Cu knurd -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list