On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 09:47:47AM -0400, Jack Tanner wrote: > Luke Macken wrote: > >On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 04:03:42AM -0400, Luke Macken wrote: > >>On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 05:29:44PM +0100, Chris Brown wrote: > >>> The current situation with updates-testing is that bug fixes tend to > >>> get > >>> pushed straight into updates. Updates-testing gets little coverage so > >>> few > >>> devs or testers use it. Its a vicious circle. A cursory glance show > >>> some > >>> packages are over 5 months old. > >>I'm hoping that Bodhi[0] will eventually help improve updates-testing by > >>allowing > >>testers to get more involved with the whole process. Once testers can > >>provide positive/negative feedback to the devs regarding updates, I think > >>that it will become much more utilized. > > > >Also, the fact that we're going to be forcing all non-security updates > >to go into updates-testing first will help as well. > > Bodhi looks really interesting. What's its proper discussion forum? Here or fedora-infrastructure-list is fine with me. > In case fedora-devel is the proper forum, a question: what happens to > updates that are in updates-testing and then fail community QA? Do their > rpms get yanked from updates-testing? It seems that today, it's > difficult to yank rpms, and the updates-testing repo has junk in it. > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.testers/47277/focus=47278 The current update system definitely doesn't make pulling updates out of the repos a simple task. Bodhi, however, allows for unpushing of testing updates; so now it is just a matter of defining a policy for approving->pushing or rejecting->pulling test updates. Once we have solid community involvement within the updates process itself, we can maybe then require n positive approvals from community testers, or a nudge from a Releng/QA lead in order to move a package from Testing->Final. John Poelstra and I have been working on Fedora update process flowcharts[0] to help optimize and improve our workflow. Suggestions are welcome. luke [0]: https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/bodhi/wiki/DesignTesting -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
