David Zeuthen wrote: >> Where are your bug reports to them? Your feature requests? Have you >> even interacted with the hplip guys before? > > No, I'm not the hplip package owner in any distribution and I just came > across this when looking at doing the ACL support things in HAL for > SANE. I'll probably try to talk to them, I was just shocked we actually > ship these bits. I expect you will be pleased with their openness and responsiveness to making things right. Which is exactly why I queried if you had expressed your concerns to them. "shocked"? Seriously David, I'm "shocked" that we still have these bugs: bz #218568, bz #177373, bz #216766. Which ones do you think more people run into? Or do you think more people dig through hplip and say "this is crap". And these are direct end-user facing bugs, yet no one is saying let's not make xen/gnome/etc. visible to the user. >> > - Not only that; starting this daemon is completely useless unless you >>> have HP hardware. We still start it for everyone so everyone have >>> to suffer. That's bad. >> and so is: >> smartd when I don't have a smartd drive >> bluethooth when I don't have bluetooth >> etc > > Two wrongs don't make a right (and, FWIW, I'm actually interacting with > the Bluez guys to make HAL start/stop the bluetooth daemons). I can't agree more, but let's not set one standard for one piece of software and not apply it evenly to others. I don't see anyone filing bz's to remove my bluetooth icons though. >> It's nice to sit in your tower and throw rocks, but end then end, some >> of us work with these products and are held accountable for things >> working or not, no matter what political or idealogical happenings go on >> at Fedora/Red Hat. > > I think I said already these are my personal points of view and that I > wasn't speaking for Red Hat and obviously not Fedora. So I'm a bit > unhappy to see you attribute these points of view to Fedora/Red Hat. > Please don't do that. Thanks. David, I apologize, this was not at all meant like that. Let me rephrase that as it was not at all meant to be from a concern of your working at RH. Some people are idealistic in this regard. It does not affect their work, performance, etc. regarding the product. I certainly have an idealistic flair, but tend to very much be a realist and very pragmatic when things must get done or must work. RH/Fedora (employees) still tend to be the primary motivators for making these sorts of decisions. IMHO, is the bz # pointed out wrong in a) reason b) motivation c) assessment, etc. (when compared to other pieces of software) yes. Will it get changed? No probably not. Can I point out a dozen or more equally egregious offenders? probably. If I file bz to have their icons or functionality removed, will they get removed? probably not. Seems a bit of a double standard.. no? > For the record, I know plenty of Fedora people (both inside and outside > of Red Hat) who, like you, are satisfied (and even excited) about the > status quo. Go figure. What? Let me repeat: > [1] I am generally very happy with Fedora progress, I just have to keep > reminding myself "everything takes time" :) (emphasis on *progress*) Rinse, lather, repeat. But in the interim, it must be usable. <insert & repeat about being a realist/pragmatist> -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
