David Zeuthen wrote: > Now, if only HP would play nicely with the open source community and > _just_ provide only drivers instead of reinventing the wheel by Well, I'm sure you're just emphatic about "better software" but I think it comes across as looking a gift horse in the mouth. I mean, what do you want, junk the hp software and then I can have the same printing capabilities as when I had this: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_3100 Where are your bug reports to them? Your feature requests? Have you even interacted with the hplip guys before? > - Not only that; starting this daemon is completely useless unless you > have HP hardware. We still start it for everyone so everyone have > to suffer. That's bad. and so is: smartd when I don't have a smartd drive bluethooth when I don't have bluetooth etc We have: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222312 Unfortunately, AFAICS, this bug will only solve that for connected devices. What about devices like mine that are on the network? How do you know when to start/stop services then? Are you suggesting that HP upgrade all their printer firmwares with Rendezvous support? It's what we have now [2]. > - Provide their own UI for using the device; just provide the drivers, > thank you very much; we don't really need foreign tools to make this > harder on the users. Bad. Oh? You have tools that work with their printers? No. Their job is to take care of their customers, which they are doing (even with Linux!) by providing software that works. Every issues that I've reported to the hplip guys has been dealt with in a timely manner (sans firmware issues reported to another group). That's a helluva lot more than I can say about reporting bugs to RedHat/Fedora [1]. We are lucky that they are much more business savvy regarding opensource than the idiots running the lightscribe group. If you think hplip is hard to swallow, download their lightscribe software and try not to regurgitate. And as far as complaining, bitching, moaning about HP not being "good opensource citizens"... How far as that gotten you with things like Broadcom wireless firmware? Oh, you're still loading binary blobs. Gotcha. It's nice to sit in your tower and throw rocks, but end then end, some of us work with these products and are held accountable for things working or not, no matter what political or idealogical happenings go on at Fedora/Red Hat. What next, tell me to use Ubuntu? [1] I am generally very happy with Fedora progress, I just have to keep reminding myself "everything takes time" :) [2] Reminds me of when I showed a friend of mine a copy of Linux (fit on two floppies, no login support etc) and was telling him how cool it was. His response was "it looks like it sucks pretty bad to me". :( -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
