David Zeuthen wrote:
Fedora-desktop list is not getting much traffic.
True, it's mostly people who ask support questions / asking for
misguided features. Sadly.
Calling it fedora-desktop-devel list might have avoided that problem to
some extent.
Not entirely true; Rahul, you have access to that list and not a lot of
_Fedora_ planning is going on so stop spreading misinformation. It's
mainly used for RHEL stuff. It's true that we have some mails sometimes
discussing early features for Fedora and, sure, in some instances we
still need to move the last 5% to the external list. Wrt to IRC we also
have many discussions externally on #fedora-desktop.
I dont really have access to all of the internal lists. I could update
the external wiki pages with the information in some of the lists that I
do have access to but that would risk putting out confidential stuff.
Who knows about these fedora-desktop irc discussions apart from the
desktop team itself? Would you consider moving it from Gimpnet to
Freenode along with the rest of the channels? When any considerable
discussions happen on irc, it needs to be posted on the Fedora wiki page
(preferably with meeting mins) for folks to look back. If noone within
the team has time for this, send me the logs and I will do it.
You also need to
realize that we have hallway conversations, that's unavoidable but
sometimes high-bandwidth communications are needed.
I think we still need to find a way to make the essential parts of those
conversations more public. Fedora Project Board has regular meetings on
phone but we do post meetings mins on the wiki and we have real time
updates on #fedora-board irc channel these days.
For example, I did post the f-u-s proposal; it didn't receive much
feedback at all. My take is that the Fedora community largely isn't very
interested in the desktop (I would loved to be proved wrong, don't take
this in a non-constructive way); in that way we're succesful, for
example an avid Fedora user is Richard Hughes and I deal a lot with him
on upstream lists discussing features in hal and g-p-m.
I think that's because not many people know about fedora-desktop list.
Would you think merging it with fedora-devel list would be a good thing?
The desktop team is understaffed, we spend a lot of time in bugzilla and
doing packaging rather than development. I think you don't realize this
and this is bad as you should know such things being an RH employee. And
this is bad.
Ahem. I think you are forgetting our earlier irc conversations. You cant
reasonably expect me to keep track of all the development work happening
more than I do so now. I bet I know more about it than maybe less than
half a dozen people in India. Telling me that I am somehow spreading FUD
might shut me up but is not going to help solve the problem that some of
the development is not as transparent as it could be.
Rahul
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