On 7/28/06, Sean <seanlkml@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> They will suffer, see above. Not all our users are yum wizzards. No yum wizardry needed at all if properly managed by the 3rd party repos.
There would still be a large number of people who installed nvidia drivers without using rpms, or people who have rpms for it installed but don't get any updates (so they wouldn't receive an update with a Conflicts). We're not talking about a breakage in a small application (where the user could still look online for help), we're talking about a breakage that will leave all but the most competent users unable to fix it from the console. As for people saying 'Just use an excludes', this argument is not really helpful, as many others have pointed out that we're worried about the people who don't know what the update has in store (and you can hardly blame people for not knowing what the update will do, since yum provides zero information about what the updates contain.) I presume that most people with FC5 installed would already have working video drivers (or it wouldn't have installed, or would have tried another distribution/OS to find one that works). I'm sure that X.org 7.1 provides some nice updates, but I think the number of people it will actually provide a noticeable improvement to is small (please correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think proprietry/open-source has anything to do with this. If a large number of users had installed an open source extension from outside Fedora to X that meant this update will stop X from working, what would be done then? Of course it's only hypothetical, and unlikely, but I think it shows that the decision should not be made on the basis of whether or not the conflicting driver is open source. Personally, I would do the following: - If X.org 7.1 is easy to get working for FC5, then provide a special repo for it and post it on the lists and places like Fedora News and Fedora Forum. Hopefully those people who would benefit from the update will find out about it. - If X.org 7.1 would take some work to get working in FC5, instead use that developer time to improve FC6 so we can all in enjoy it along with X.org 7.1 in early October. Either way, I don't see Fedora being held back by not pushing the updates for FC5. n0dalus. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
