On Wed, 2024-12-18 at 02:19 +0000, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > (*) The original announcement discussed behavior. > That is basically conduct. And either there is > a code for such behaviour (conduct) in which > case the behaviour (conduct) can be measured > against, or there is no such code, which means > it cannot be measured against or used to > evaluate the conduct. If there was a conduct > violation, I believe that is for the CoCC to work. Well, no, IMO this just doesn't make any sense. You can't just say "all actions are conduct and therefore all actions must be adjudicated under the code of conduct or not at all". That just...isn't how it works. We have a ton of policies outside of the CoC and various mechanisms for 'enforcing' them, and have done for years. If you don't follow the Change process, FESCo rejects your Change, it doesn't treat it as a CoC violation. If your update doesn't follow the update "guidelines", FESCo might request it be unpushed, again, not a CoC violation. The CoC is pretty clear on what it covers, and it certainly does *not* cover a whole ton of stuff, which is instead covered by all those other policies. I don't see any particular problem with there being a provenpackager policy which has nothing to do with the CoC, and a mechanism for 'enforcing' it. What this situation seems to have exposed is that the policy had a lot of unclear areas, and there *was* no pre-defined mechanism for 'enforcing' it in the sense of removing someone's PP privileges, which put FESCo in the unfortunate position of trying to make one up on the fly, which seems not to have gone optimally. But I don't think the reasonable conclusion to draw from this is "everything must either fall under the CoC or nothing". -- Adam Williamson (he/him/his) Fedora QA Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @adamw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx https://www.happyassassin.net -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
