On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 at 08:51, Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Beefy Miracle was the beginning of the end of release names for Fedora. > In one single event it epitomized everything that was bad about the > Fedora release names concept & the process. Agreed. This is one of the things Debian and Ubuntu get right: they have themes, and associable, memorable, neutral meanings for the codenames. Debian is simple: they are Toy Story characters. The end. Ubuntu is a bit more subtle: an adjective, which is the general usage, and an animal, which will usually be neutral for most people. They are careful to choose positive adjectives, which may be slangy or colloquial or obscure, but are not negative. Some Fedora codenames were 1 word, some 2. Most were weird and conveyed a strong feeling of in-jokes. Some were possibly American and did not translate. Naming a release after a hard to trace bug? Not good. Tells me to avoid that release. "Beefy Miracle"? WTF? Later I learned this may be after an ad slogan. Newsflash, few ads get shown in multiple countries without translation. "Beefy" is complex and may not be positive for a billion Hindus. Miracle adds to the dubious religious overtones. The combination says to me "this is an in joke we thought was funny and we don't care if you don't understand or if it upsets people," which by extension means "we like it and we don't care if you don't". Many of the older ones were overly Americo-centric, or references which were not obvious, like comic books or scientists, which again has an undertone of "we are so clever and we like our little club and you're not in it". Secondly, Debian/Ubuntu codenames are used in config files. They have a meaning and significance. Fedora ones, AFAIK, didn't. > I see it as a cautionary > tale of why the concept should stay discontinued in general. I would not go that far, but trying to impose discipline on them would not be bad. I'd have carefully picked something as neutral as possible, such as, I dunno, "types of hat" -- surely there are hundreds -- or "colours", of which there are thousands of named ones. As for why codenames at all -- this is both individual and cultural. E.g. Brits seem to like and assimilar model numbers; American and Japanese consumers seem to favour names. My favourite motorbike was my ZZR-1100. In America, that model was a "Ninja 11" (I believe!) To me that sounds childish and foolish. My first Linux PDA was a Sharp SL-5500. That says calm, professional, maybe descended from a line of calculators, a practical tool. In America and Japan it was a "Zaurus". To me that has an undertone of "silly sounding, cartoon character like sobriquet". Compare Casio Z-7000 vs Casio Zoomer. Some individuals find numbers easy to remember and handle. Some don't. Some can't keep x.03 straight from x.3 or x.30. Some find names memorable and handy while numbers confuse. There are national tendencies here but they are of course not universal. -- Liam Proven ~ lproven@xxxxxxxxxx FOSS & Public Cloud Reporter, the Register ~ https://www.theregister.com/ Isle of Man tel: +44 7624 227612 ~ UK tel: +44 7939 087884 (*not* 24x7) Czech tel: +420 702 829 053 (also Whatsapp/Telegram/Signal) -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
