On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 08:24:58PM +0200, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: > Ian Pilcher <arequipeno@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > On 7/13/24 4:32 AM, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: > >> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > >>>>> The idea for DRM_PANIC is nice, but I worry about the impact of disabling > >>>>> VT_CONSOLE. Plymouth is not used everywhere, e.g. what about cloud images > >>>>> and such? Also, when debugging boot troubles, removing 'rhbg' and 'quiet' > >>>>> are the often first steps. > >>>>> > >> > >> I would expect that in these cases the user has access to a serial console > >> to get the kernel log output. Or it's a common case to read the kernel log > >> messages on cloud instances over VT/fbcon ? > > > > Why in the world would you expect this? > > > > It's been years (decades?) since most PCs have had a serial port. > > Expecting people to have (or buy) and set up additional hardware in > > order to troubleshoot boot issues is a terrible change, IMO. > > > > I was referring to the cloud image that were mentioned in this thread to > not install Plymouth. Is that also the case for the Fedora server image ? > Server does not install Plymouth either AIUI; compare workstation-product-environment and server-product-environment in https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/blob/main/f/comps-f40.xml.in Best regards, -- _o) Michel Lind _( ) identities: https://keyoxide.org/5dce2e7e9c3b1cffd335c1d78b229d2f7ccc04f2
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