On 15. 05. 24 10:08, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 14. 05. 24 v 18:35 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
On 14. 05. 24 16:02, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 13. 05. 24 v 20:23 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
On 13. 05. 24 15:38, Vít Ondruch wrote:
And TBH, for me as a Fedora used with no special interest in Python, the
current Python versioning sucks hard. How am I supposed to tell what is
the current version just looking at e.g. the repository? Is it
`python3.12` or is it already `python3.13`? Despite I have spent with
Fedora more then a decade, answering such simple question is not trivial
for me.
I guess that for the user, the easiest way is to look at the RPMs. Users
barely look into our repositories.
~~~
$ rpm -q python
package python is not installed
~~~
Why?
Because it is called python3.
$ rpm -q python3
python3-3.12.3-2.fc39.x86_64
I thought this discussion is about python3.12 vs python3.13, not about python
vs python3. I supposed the reason it is called python3 and not python is well
know at this point (but if it is not, let me know and I'll try to explain).
We are in 2024, so I suppose we could rename everything python3 to python
now, I just worry that it would be a lot of effort for not much benefit.
Even if `# dnf install python` does something, it still won't install
`python` package.
Well, it installs the python-unverisoned-command package. Which requires
python3. So it install python. Why does it matter? What are you trying to
demonstrate here? (Don't take me wrong, I always appreciate good criticism, I
juts don't understand what are you suggesting we should do.)
Do you suggest to rename python-unversioned-command to python?
Do you suggest to rename python3 to python?
Do you suggest to rename the python3.12 component to python? (As names of the
components started this discussion.)
Or is it something else?
Every time I bring up such discussion, I am told "the reason it is called
python3 and not python is well know" and yes, it is know to some, including me.
But advocating for less experienced users. I advocating for users which are not
experts on Python ecosystem. I am advocating for conventions.
I am trying to demonstrate that things should be obvious. There is "Python"
language. Not "Python 3" language. There is e.g. https://www.python.org/ not
https://www.python3.org/ etc.
Therefore, I'd rather hear "you are right, that does not make too much sense
(these days). It is confusing and it is about the time to make the things right
(finally)". In your words "We are in 2024, so I suppose we could rename
everything python3 to python now" is what I would appreciate.
So you say "python3" should be renamed to "python".
But this entire discussion started about component names (e.g. "python3.12")
and your inability to tell which Python version is the default just by looking
at the sources.
I am not disagreeing with you. I just don't see how we suddenly discuss a
completely different thing.
Anyway, let me tell you:
You are right, calling the package(s) "python3" does not make too much sense
any more. It might be confusing and it might be about the time to make things
right by renaming ~4200 packages back to "python". Feel free to propose a
detailed plan of execution.
Note that I won't do it, because I don't think the benefits outweighs the
necessary work. However, if there is a volunteer to drive this, I am happy to
review the proposal and share my feedback.
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