On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:22 PM Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 2 2024 at 06:18:31 PM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an > > entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next - which was explicitly > > based around making it much more focused and less of a > > choose-your-own- > > adventure, specifically including making the download page much more > > opinionated. AFAIR, the numbers Matthew tracks strongly indicate this > > was associated with a very significant immediate bump in Fedora usage. > > Yes, promoting Fedora Workstation over all the other desktops has been > key to the success of Fedora over the past 10 years. I suspect it was > the right choice, because Fedora has grown considerably from our > unrelenting focus on attracting so many GNOME desktop users to the > Fedora edition that receives the most investment. But there is a > continuum of strategies we can use to promote our default desktop over > other options, and I wonder if we've erred too far in favor of Fedora > Workstation and against Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop here. The Plasma spin > is much "bigger" than the other spins, it's of comparable quality to > Fedora Workstation, and it is release blocking. It just seems strange > to relegate it to a secondary downloads page regardless of how popular > it is, while the non-desktop editions (some of which are frankly > relatively niche) get featured very prominently. > > I'm not sure what the solution is here. Kevin's suggestion of featuring > all spins equally risks overloading users with difficult choices and > diluting our focus on what we do well, and I hesitate to open the doors > for all spins to request a place on the main download page. I suppose I > think of KDE Plasma as "special" relative to all the others due to its > relatively large upstream developer community and user base, so I guess > I'd like to see some way to elevate the status of Plasma in Fedora > without also jeopardizing the special status of Fedora Workstation. We > should have a very compelling reason if we're going to continue hiding > one of our strongest products, and I don't think we do anymore. Our > reputation as a quality GNOME distro has become so strong that it's not > going to be damaged by other Fedora desktop offerings. > > So here are three brainstorming proposals: > > (a) Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop becomes a Fedora edition. We'd need to > be careful about how we do it. I would still promote Fedora Workstation > as the main/recommended "leading" desktop, would call Plasma an > "alternative desktop option," and would strongly caution against use of > the word "Workstation" anywhere in the branding for the Plasma version. > That is, let's continue to steer undecided users towards Fedora > Workstation, while making Plasma easier to find and presenting it more > prominently than it is today. > What would be wrong with "Fedora GNOME Workstation" and "Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop"? I think once we're both at the same level, the desktop name as a distinguishing property is valuable. > (b) Alternatively, elevate the positioning of all spins on the > fedoraproject.org homepage. Place the link to the spins right next to > the link to Fedora Workstation, above the atomic desktops (which are > sadly still experimental), above the Fedora labs and ALT downloads, and > honestly probably above the non-desktop Fedora editions. Nobody is > going to be confused as to which one is the primary product. > I think this would be rather chaotic, but I do think we need something to show that the spins exist more. I suspect that a big part of why some of them languish and fade is the lack of visibility. It makes it a foregone conclusion, which is a huge problem with how we handle non-edition variants in general. > (c) Do both of the above, because they aren't mutually exclusive > proposals. > Indeed. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
