Am 09.02.24 um 18:28 schrieb Neal Gompa:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 12:16 PM Roy Bekken <roy.bekken@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On fredag 9. februar 2024 17:41:33 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM Roy Bekken <roy.bekken@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On fredag 9. februar 2024 04:04:04 CET Steve Cossette wrote:
I am not gonna reply to all of that because all we are doing at this
point
is repeating the same thing. But we are NOT stopping you from using
x11.
You can either build it yourself and put it on a copr (it’s not like
neal
is using voodoo in his copr), use the copr we provide or …
This is extremely hostile towards new people trying linux for the very
first time, asking them to add a copr repo if they have problems with
wayland to try X11, its unlikely they ever heard this stuff before.
Most likely they are trying out Fedora on a live media.
And they're not going to get an X11 experience on live media even now.
Wayland has been used for all environment modes since Fedora 36.
I am aware if this. So you are saying that its perfectly fine that someone new
to linux boot into a desktop that microstutters when they move windows around?
No, it's not fine. Just like it's not fine to get random
tear/corruption snow when moving things around or opening windows on
X11.
The difference is that we can actually do something about those issues
with Plasma Wayland when people report them. *Tons* of these kinds of
issues were fixed over the past 3 years, and Plasma 6 brings a huge
upgrade around this stuff too. And the whole graphics pipeline is
fully under the control of KDE Plasma, so we can do things we've never
done before. That's why we can do VRR, HDR, VR, mixed-DPI, fractional
scaling, and so much more.
We can do things that even other Wayland desktops can't do because our
architecture is flexible enough to do it. With Plasma X11, our necks
are hanging to the dying albatross that is the X server and our hands
are tied behind our backs when we want to actually do something to
improve the experience. These are not issues with Plasma Wayland.
Because Plasma Wayland... is just KDE Plasma.
Quite a bit of topic from my part, but is your pipeline for Wayland
flexible enough to turn off any kind of display sync (even in windowed
mode) if the user wants that?
Sure, it has its downside (e.g. tearing can happen), but I rather have
that than the added latency (even if very minimal) of such a sync (and
yes, that includes VRR which has a considerable smaller one than normal
V-SYNC).
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