On 2024-02-01 8:18 a.m., Sérgio Basto
wrote:
A proposal will always have opposing members, that's how it always is for everything in life. That's why Fesco then makes a judgement call and decides on what to do. But I do believe your reply was besides the point.On Thu, 2024-02-01 at 07:08 -0500, Steve Cossette wrote:So, if you all don't mind, I'd like to steer this discussion in a slightly different way: What is the definition of a Fedora Change Proposal?Proposal was not accepted by many members of the community try accept that .
I was under the impression it was an announcement of intent by the maintainers of a specific subset of the fedora project to "change" something. Once said announcement has been discussed publicly, Fesco (Sorry if the capitals are incorrect) discusses it internally (albeit, publicly) and either blocks or approves the change, making it official. (Please note: The following paragraphs will use "we" as a pronoun which is intended to be the Fedora project as a whole) Once approved, we announced our intent to drop X11 from the KDE spin of Fedora. That announcement has gained traction everywhere, got publicized and everything. As Neal Gompa also stated, it has already caused some substantial development effort upstream to effectively iron out the rough edges of many of the problems, with what I assume is more to come. My fear is that, while those x11 libraries/runtimes/... would indeed no longer be maintained by the KDE sig, we would basically just be partially rolling back that initial proposal. And the quality of said packages would also maybe suffer from them being updated separately, which might also reflect poorly on us (again, in this context, "us" = the Fedora Project).First, KDE SIG people are not the only persons that support and maintain KDE , I'm maintainer of smb4k , kdenlive, kwave , smplayer and more packages related with KDE and Qt . The problem is not KDE SIG not support X11, the problem is KDE SIG want drop X11 and force user to use wayland . The other problem is not reach to an agreement with some members of KDE SIG , which they think that can impose his decisions .
Yes, and we (Again, as-in, the Fedora community) deeply appreciates you for your contributions. I was, again, trying to make a big picture comment about the whole thing, not as an attack on you specifically.
And yes, that is the whole point: We want to foster the use of Wayland, to increase it's adoption, to force people using it to hit snags along the road and fill tickets so those issues can be fixed.
You'd be amazed how many issues I've seen being fixed in the last
couple months.
It would also introduce a precedent: What if later a proposal is made to remove some old drivers from, let's say, the kernel, and someone decides to package it, undermining the general efforts of that proposal? Hopefully I'm making sense. Writing this 30mins after waking up might not have helped. What I'm trying to say basically is, I get that for some legacy nvidia users the Wayland experience may not be optimal. But will it ever be? Does that mean we can never drop x11? Will anyone ever update those legacy nvidia drivers? Could they be? Le mar. 30 janv. 2024, à 07 h 48, Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :Link to the FESCo ticket: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3165 and I'm very upset -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
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