Re: just to let you know FESCo agreed to a preliminary injunction while we consider this issue

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On 2024-02-01 8:18 a.m., Sérgio Basto wrote:
On Thu, 2024-02-01 at 07:08 -0500, Steve Cossette wrote:
So, if you all don't mind, I'd like to steer this discussion in a
slightly different way: 

What is the definition of a Fedora Change Proposal?
Proposal was not accepted by many members of the community try accept
that .
A proposal will always have opposing members, that's how it always is for everything in life. That's why Fesco then makes a judgement call and decides on what to do. But I do believe your reply was besides the point.


I was under the impression it was an announcement of intent by the
maintainers of a specific subset of the fedora project to "change"
something. Once said announcement has been discussed publicly, Fesco
(Sorry if the capitals are incorrect) discusses it internally
(albeit, publicly) and either blocks or approves the change, making
it official.

(Please note: The following paragraphs will use "we" as a pronoun
which is intended to be the Fedora project as a whole)

Once approved, we announced our intent to drop X11 from the KDE spin
of Fedora. That announcement has gained traction everywhere, got
publicized and everything. As Neal Gompa also stated, it has already
caused some substantial development effort upstream to effectively
iron out the rough edges of many of the problems, with what I assume
is more to come.

My fear is that, while those x11 libraries/runtimes/... would indeed
no longer be maintained by the KDE sig, we would basically just be
partially rolling back that initial proposal. And the quality of said
packages would also maybe suffer from them being updated separately,
which might also reflect poorly on us (again, in this context, "us" =
the Fedora Project).
First, KDE SIG people are not the only persons that support and
maintain KDE , I'm maintainer of smb4k , kdenlive, kwave , smplayer and
more packages related with KDE and Qt .

The problem is not KDE SIG not support X11, the problem is KDE SIG want
drop X11 and force user to use wayland .

The other problem is not reach to an agreement with some members of KDE
SIG , which they think that can impose his decisions .

Yes, and we (Again, as-in, the Fedora community) deeply appreciates you for your contributions. I was, again, trying to make a big picture comment about the whole thing, not as an attack on you specifically.

And yes, that is the whole point: We want to foster the use of Wayland, to increase it's adoption, to force people using it to hit snags along the road and fill tickets so those issues can be fixed.

You'd be amazed how many issues I've seen being fixed in the last couple months.


It would also introduce a precedent: What if later a proposal is made
to remove some old drivers from, let's say, the kernel, and someone
decides to package it, undermining the general efforts of that
proposal?

Hopefully I'm making sense. Writing this 30mins after waking up might
not have helped. What I'm trying to say basically is, I get that for
some legacy nvidia users the Wayland experience may not be optimal.
But will it ever be? Does that mean we can never drop x11? Will
anyone ever update those legacy nvidia drivers? Could they be?

Le mar. 30 janv. 2024, à 07 h 48, Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> a
écrit :
Link to the FESCo ticket: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3165

and I'm very upset 

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