On Thu, 2024-02-01 at 07:08 -0500, Steve Cossette wrote: > So, if you all don't mind, I'd like to steer this discussion in a > slightly different way: > > What is the definition of a Fedora Change Proposal? Proposal was not accepted by many members of the community try accept that . > I was under the impression it was an announcement of intent by the > maintainers of a specific subset of the fedora project to "change" > something. Once said announcement has been discussed publicly, Fesco > (Sorry if the capitals are incorrect) discusses it internally > (albeit, publicly) and either blocks or approves the change, making > it official. > > (Please note: The following paragraphs will use "we" as a pronoun > which is intended to be the Fedora project as a whole) > > Once approved, we announced our intent to drop X11 from the KDE spin > of Fedora. That announcement has gained traction everywhere, got > publicized and everything. As Neal Gompa also stated, it has already > caused some substantial development effort upstream to effectively > iron out the rough edges of many of the problems, with what I assume > is more to come. > > My fear is that, while those x11 libraries/runtimes/... would indeed > no longer be maintained by the KDE sig, we would basically just be > partially rolling back that initial proposal. And the quality of said > packages would also maybe suffer from them being updated separately, > which might also reflect poorly on us (again, in this context, "us" = > the Fedora Project). First, KDE SIG people are not the only persons that support and maintain KDE , I'm maintainer of smb4k , kdenlive, kwave , smplayer and more packages related with KDE and Qt . The problem is not KDE SIG not support X11, the problem is KDE SIG want drop X11 and force user to use wayland . The other problem is not reach to an agreement with some members of KDE SIG , which they think that can impose his decisions . > > It would also introduce a precedent: What if later a proposal is made > to remove some old drivers from, let's say, the kernel, and someone > decides to package it, undermining the general efforts of that > proposal? > > Hopefully I'm making sense. Writing this 30mins after waking up might > not have helped. What I'm trying to say basically is, I get that for > some legacy nvidia users the Wayland experience may not be optimal. > But will it ever be? Does that mean we can never drop x11? Will > anyone ever update those legacy nvidia drivers? Could they be? > > Le mar. 30 janv. 2024, à 07 h 48, Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> a > écrit : > > Link to the FESCo ticket: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3165 > > > > and I'm very upset > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Do not reply to spam, report it: > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- Sérgio M. B. -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
