On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 6:58 AM Mattia Verga via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Il 31/01/24 23:38, Alessandro Astone ha scritto: > > The "personal attack" is a consideration on the proposed maintainer of these packages. > > > >> every effort in order to not to break things must be made. > > Then I cannot support these packages being added. It is putting additional effort on the KDE-SIG up to once per every week; especially since we're at the beginning of the Plasma 6 release cycle and releases are going to be hectic. > > The proposed resolutions by adamw, zbyszek, etc. seem to imply that it would not be required. > > blogilo is as much of a non-release-blocking component as plasma-workspace-x11 would be. > > -- > > There I was referring to stable releases. I assume you're not going to > rebuild and push updates into stable releases once per week. > > FWIW I am an happy user of Plasma on Wayland and don't need X11. > However, Fedora is a community project, so the fact one don't care about > a software doesn't mean they can stop someone else packaging it, as long > as there someone interested in doing the work. If that means delaying > updates by one week waiting for the other maintainers to rebuild their > packages, we must allow that, as we do for all other cases. > > I am also quite sure that things would be much more simple for both > parties if -x11 guys would make use of COPR instead of building their > packages in distgit. That way they can choose to rebuild the kde plasma > common stack with the epoch bumped, so that anyone using the COPR > repository will have that packages overwrite the Fedora ones, and build > their -x11 with their "LTS" version. That way anyone using X11 will not > see any breakage and they can choose to upgrade the base packages when > they want/have free time. > I started providing a COPR specifically for this reason a few months ago[1], and we moved it to the KDE SIG namespace earlier this week[2]. It tracks our DistGit packages and turns back on X11 support automatically. The KDE SIG instance of the COPR is configured with a higher priority than the distribution packages, so they "overshadow" them and prevent Plasma X11 from being uninstalled on upgrade by blocking upgrades until a compatible package is available. My position as the KDE SIG lead based on discussions within the SIG is that re-introducing these packages in the main distribution would destroy the main point of our efforts: driving KDE Plasma Wayland to be the best and most complete experience. The signal of dropping Plasma X11 largely drove a lot of improvements in Plasma 6 very quickly that I do not believe would have otherwise occurred. The upstream KDE developers did a lot of work for us because we communicated priorities and worked with them very early to frame the roadmap for the future of Plasma Wayland. The truth is we started hitting a wall about two years ago because with the crutch of Plasma X11, there was just simply not enough motivation to find solutions for the remaining missing features/capabilities. We started signaling our intent two years ago to drop Plasma X11 with Plasma 6 at Akademy 2022, but even most of that effort wasn't taken seriously until last year, when I reiterated it again at Akademy there. A huge burst of feature development occurred precisely because of the feedback from the discussion in the Change proposal. To put it bluntly, KDE Plasma Wayland has features and capabilities that neither X11 nor GNOME Wayland has. There are both compatibility modes (X11 hotkey support and alternate X11 application scaling modes) and amazing features (VRR, fullscreen HDR, hardware accelerated screen recording/sharing/remote desktop). The remaining gaps are being worked on with a decent pace in a large part because Fedora KDE will only offer Plasma Wayland. Today, there are people who consider Fedora KDE a "premium experience"[3] and that's a tremendous credit to the team who have worked really hard to deliver the best KDE Plasma experience possible. The consensus from the KDE SIG is that we believe that reintroducing the packages into the distribution will not only unwind a major part of the approved Change, but it will add complications for the SIG for shipping updates to KDE Plasma on the cadence that we typically do and we would rather the X11 packages stay in COPR. [1]: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/ngompa/kde6-x11-unsupported/ [2]: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/kdesig/plasma6-x11-unsupported/ [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1advyxe/pretty_sure_fedora_40_will_be_the_premium/ -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
