Hi Neal, Already sent a message to them through Matrix. Thank you :) Hi Allan, I submitted an issue to the gitlab. We could discuss it through the issue discussion. For the shorterm plan, I would like to focus on integration and make sure all the components work properly. Then, we start to think about the improvement of the user interface and the architecture. If we can do every in parallel, that would be great too :) Thank you. On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 12:12 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 10:58 PM Kate Hsuan <hpa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Hi Allan, > > > > Thank you for the comments. > > > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 12:31 AM Allan Day <aday@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kate, > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 8:30 AM Kate Hsuan <hpa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >... By > > > > integrating power-profiles-daemon with tuned, the user can get extra > > > > features to finetune the system, and the basic feature provided by ppd > > > > can be used according to the user's demand. It also can reduce the > > > > efforts of the maintainer. > > > ... > > > > Moreover, the detailed change proposal can be found here. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/TunedReplacesPower-profiles-daemon > > > > > > I just noticed that the change proposal contains the line: > > > > > > "We expected that the user can set those profile, tuned provided > > > through gnome-control-panel. To minimize the information to the user, > > > the power panel would provide a simple and advanced mode to show the > > > power profiles. If the users want to finetune the system, they can > > > switch to the advanced mode themselves." > > > > > > It's a bit unclear if this is a definite plan, a requirement, or more > > > of a speculative ambition. However, I should probably be clear that > > > from a GNOME design perspective, an advanced power profile settings > > > mode would likely be a tough sell. Exposing arbitrary user-defined > > > profiles would also pose some challenges which it might be difficult > > > to overcome. > > > > > - Simple (Basic) mode is the original UX design of the power panel so > > we don't need to change or redesign it. > > - The advanced mode only shows the profile that tuned provides and the > > profile can be filtered based on the system architecture or platform > > model (Dell, Lenovo...etc). It is my thought and any kinds of ideas > > are welcome. > > > > Since there are many kinds of profiles provided by tuned, for example, > > VM-specific profiles and profiles for Intel features...etc., that > > gives us more room to think about how the UI can be improved. In this > > proposal, I listed the probabilities of UX changes to show how we can > > propose a new UX for the power panel. If it is difficult to achieve, > > the advanced mode can be dropped, and seek for alternative solutions. > > :) > > For the short-term plan, we would like to address the integration with > > tuned. The best result of the first step is that power-profiles-daemon > > is replaced by tuned and all the applications, such as gnome, kde, > > sysprof...etc run correctly. Then, we will start to think about how > > the UX can be improved or an alternative solution to set up the > > advanced tuned profiles. > > > > > If this change proposal does require UXD changes to GNOME, then I'd > > > suggest reaching out to us in advance to discuss them. > > Okay. :) > > > > I strongly recommend you reach out to the KDE folks as well. The > Visual Design Group is a good starting point[1] for discussing the UX > for tuned in KDE Plasma. A Matrix account is required to interact with > most of the KDE folks, but you should already have one through > chat.fedoraproject.org if you don't already have one from elsewhere. > > I suspect many of your simple/advanced UX ideas will be fine, but need > to be refined with the VDG to figure out how it should be done. > > From the KDE side, we are not strictly speaking, married to the > power-profiles-daemon concept. And the idea of having IHVs actually > provide useful energy tuning profiles so that battery life can be > further extended (thus supplanting tlp as well) is highly appealing. > > [1]: https://matrix.to/#/#visualdesigngroup:kde.org > > > > > -- > 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- BR, Kate _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
