On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 10:42 PM Kevin Kofler via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Josh Boyer wrote: > > I want to make sure I understand that statement. You're saying you > > will actively walk away from Fedora because you would have to change > > the manner in which you discuss things? > > I am saying I and many other existing contributors may or may not walk away > from Fedora entirely, and even if not, may reduce our interaction with > Fedora, due to being forced to use a discussion tool that does not support > our workflows. Ah. May or may not. That gives me hope at least. > Heck, it does not even work in my browser (Falkon) without ugly workarounds. > (https://discuss.kde.org/t/discuss-kde-org-cannot-be-accessed-by-konqueror/548) > > > That's certainly a choice one could make. Personally, I would not > > prioritize keeping my bespoke email setup intact over working with a > > community on a project I care about. If there's even a remote > > possibility moving to Discourse will attract more contributors to > > Fedora then I'd happily learn how to deal with it. Change is > > difficult, but in the end it's something we're all capable of. > > I do not understand this double standard: You and several others are > expecting new contributors to walk away from Fedora due to the manner in > which we discuss things, but in the same time act surprised when warned that > existing contributors are likely to do exactly that. In fact, we have much > more reason to do so because the new workflow is a regression, and forcing > it on us over our objections actively tells us we are no longer welcome. I don't think it's a double standard. I think people that already know how Fedora development and contribution works are inherently in a better position to adapt to something new, whereas net-new contributors are unlikely to even start based on an email driven practice. It's a barrier to entry problem. If we, as the experienced and capable contributor base, can adapt to something and lower the barrier to entry then it benefits us all. To be clear, I do not like forums. Discourse is perhaps the best forum platform I've used, but that doesn't mean I like it. What I dislike more than forum software is knowing we're leaving people that could do great things and spread more awareness of Fedora simply because we've ossified on a communication platform that is hard to discover and consume. josh _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
