> Am 28.12.2022 um 15:23 schrieb Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx>: > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 9:13 AM Peter Boy <pboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Am 28.12.2022 um 13:34 schrieb Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx>: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:25 AM Frank Crawford <frank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> I'd also note that this has always been configurable, it is just now >>>> suggesting a different value from the default. >>> >>> I would also suggest that if you're shutting down/rebooting a server, >>> then you really want that to be done sooner rather than later, so >>> stuff getting killed as it shuts down if it doesn't do it normally >>> after SIGTERM is probably fine, because they're likely hung. >>> >>> Waiting a half hour for a system to reboot is not acceptable. >> >> Indeed, but it is not acceptable because the configuration of the timeout is too long, but because there is probably something earnestly going wrong. And as a server admin, I would like to decide myself to wait patiently and hope, to evaluate the issue, or to pull the plug. I don't want to leave that to a stupid timeout. >> >> >>> 15 or 30 seconds is probably fine, even for servers, because of the >>> nature of how systemd processes this timeout. It's per service being >>> shut down, rather than a global timeout. >> >> Yeah, *probably* fine, maybe not. We don’t know, just guess. And as the saying goes: better safe than sorry. >> >> And the 2 mins are empirically obviously a safe solution. >> > > Is it? If the end result is the same, it doesn't matter whether it's > 30 seconds or 2 minutes. Yes indeed. But it’s the sysadmin who decides to reset after those "15 or 30" secs. And that makes a difference. And mind you, it is not the common case that a standalone server with maybe a few VMs and a moderate workload needs those 10 minutes quoted here for shutdown. It is the exception and an urgent reason to take a serious look not at the 10 mins but at the server. For desktops, it's probably a different tradeoff. -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy pboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST (UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora docs team contributor Java developer and enthusiast _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
