Daniel Roesen <dr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:36:50AM -0400, Dimi Paun wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 08:11 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > Debating the worth of any particular study, > > > here.. is pointless.. > > > > Very smart. It seems that _anything_ is pointless to discuss here. > Indeed. It's still all "what Red Hat likes", and screw the rest. At > least that's my (oh, not really only mine) impression. Can't speak for the rest here, please. > Just look at what random stuff is thrown into core by Red Hat folks, > whereas outsiders with really useful additions are sent off to Extras. Could you be more specific? Just whining about "junk in core" and "useful stuff left out" doesn't help a bit. [...] > The "we follow upstream!" mantra is also only followed when it's > fitting. Again, please be specific. > If the Fedora heads like a change, it gets done (see all the > custom patches that regularily pop up in packages), Fixing real bugs and/or patches that are pending upstream, as far as I have seen up to here. > and if outsiders > request changes that Fedora heads don't like, we'll hear a "shut up and > go upstream, we follow upstream, basta". If you don't like it, fork ahead. Nobody is forcing you to use vanilla Fedora, is there? [...] > The terminal launch option now disappearing completely out of immediate > reach is a major blow, once again. I really wonder where this is > heading. The last really usable desktop for me was GNOME/Enlightenment > in RH 6.2 (and 7.x, but I had that only at work place and dunno how much > effort the IT folks there had put into making it work). Later on, things > got dumbed down more and more. Now we are at metacity (I call it > mediocracy) and people still keep on removing features etc. I wonder > when will install twm or fvwm again as "powerful, feature-rich" > replacement for the hello_world that metacity is. Sigh. You can try KDE, or XFCE. Or go for outsider window managers. [...] > Don't get me wrong. I cannot complain - it all comes for free, I greatly > respect that and am grateful for the chance to run an OS which mostly > fits my needs for zarro bucks and the source comes with it too so I can > fiddle with it if I REALLY need to. It just sucks to always here the > fairy tale of the "community" distro Fedora is supposed to be, and all > I can see is quite the contrary (except of course if it comes to offload > the boring stuff like maintaining older releases [Fedora Legacy], > betatesting new random stuff put into Core etc.). Sorry, I don't understand you at all. You'd have to be much more specific and constructive with your criticism, or you will just be *PLONK*ed left and right. -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile Fax: +56 32 797513 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
