On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 03:32 +0200, Daniel Roesen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:56PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > No one's advocating removing the commandline, it is definitely useful > > for the people developing the applications. > > Then how about moving gnome-terminal, xterm etc. to Extras? As you say, > if you have to use the shell it's a bug. I didn't say that. I said that if non-developers/non-sysadmins have to use the terminal, it is a bug. I use gnome-terminal constantly every day, because I am a software developer. > And you also say Fedora isn't > aimed at "power users / developers" (however that is defined). Fedora is clearly aimed at developers. I think we should be spending a lot of time supporting them. But Fedora is also our idea of what a general purpose OS should be. And our default desktop reflects that general purpose. One argument you could make is that we should include nautilus-open-terminal in Core, and install it when you do a "Technical Workstation" or whatever that install is called. I doubt you'd find many objections to that. > So > logical consequence is that it shouldn't get installed by default, I don't think that's a logical consequence; personally I don't think it'd be unreasonable for it not to be installed by default when you do a Personal Desktop install, but I'm not in charge of the menus. > and > move to Extras. That definitely doesn't make much sense. > And if USERS feel the urge to use the command line, they should file > bugzilla bugs. A no wait, they should go to... uhm... whomever they > think that should provide a colorful mousable alternative to whatever > they just wanted to to efficiently with a shell. Nope...not at all what I said. I do hope that Fedora users who also have programming skills will understand that not all users can accomplish "everyday" tasks like wireless network configuration with a terminal, and help out with our goal to write programs or fix bugs in existing ones to make stuff work. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
