On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 03:26:46PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 23:59 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> > If you're only fixing things for a single distribution, the numbers
> > of users cannot be considered 'large'.
>
> Likewise an individual's voice on a medium such as Gnome lists is going
> to be very very very small, and easily ignorable. However when a very
> well known distribution steps in and says "Well, the majority of _OUR_
> users don't really like this, can we discuss some more" it bears a bit
> more weight.
Jup. Exactly that. If Fedora would really be a community thing (which it
isn't), then we _would_ have a _welcomed_ discussion about controversial
issues, and _would_ have a voting in place when rough consensus can't be
found. But we don't. I'm having more and more the impression that what
the "community user base" wants is irrelevant. The only thing to the
contrary I see are the usual "Ideas for FCx?" postings by Red Hat at the
beginning of each release cycles.
Other than that, the prio is I guess:
a) what the RHEL customer base wants
b) what Red Hat prefers
c) uhm...
d) lets see...
g) what stupid whiners like me might want
Given that Red Hat finances all this here, that's perfectly fine. But
don't call it a community effort. And no, "allowing" outsiders to pick
up dropped-by-Red-Hat packages and market them as "Fedora Extras",
outsourcing the tedious job of maintaining older releases under the
Fedora brand (Fedora Legacy) or stuff like writing docs ("Release notes
authors wanted!") is not really "the community thang". It's getting rid
of excess work that is boring and doesn't translate at all to commercial
gains. After all, Fedora is Red Hat's playground to try new cool stuff
for RHEL. RHEL Beta sounds fishy. Fedora sounds way less fishy, and
much easier to swallow than asking mass folks to run "RHEL beta". :-)
[yes I know, RHEL Workstation is not directly derrived from Fedora,
so don't please don't start discussing over those kind of verbial
details]
I know I do risk to be considered being an ungrateful asshole. But
believe me, I'm just pissed by being ignored (and not just ME being
ignored) by something that markets itself aggressively as a community
thing which it isn't by my (and many other) standards. False marketing.
If those issues cannot be openly discussed, well, then I guess I can
abandon all hope. I would like to hear that from the folks who have the
real power over that though, not some... cheerleaders, rigerously
preaching the same mantras (the nice verbiage for "go away, we don't
care") again and again without actually listening to arguments.
Best regards,
Daniel
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