Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

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On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 12:21 PM Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Mi, 06.07.22 18:15, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:
>
> > I'm aware of the release schedule ;)
> > The date would only need to be set (at most) twice:
> > - once before the release of Fn
> > - after Fn+2 is released and Fn has 1 month left
> >   (only if Fn+2 slipped)

Or you could just move to fixed-time lifecycles and avoid that
entirely.  As you said below, what's a week or two? :)

> > And it's true that you will not get the update of the date if no
> > updates are installed… But if you don't update ever, does it really
> > matter that you have the EOL date off by a week or two? This date is
> > meaningful for systems that are _maintained_, i.e. at least get
> > updates every few weeks.

People update systems in odd ways, not always wholesale.  Think of the
common case of "I want CVE fixes only".  There is almost never a CVE
fix for fedora-release, so using that filter will mean they continue
to have stale info.  Anyway, as I said earlier, I don't think these
corner cases are big deals.

We actually already did the overall idea in a different way long ago.
There used to be a package called "system-autodeath" that would
basically start logging impending EOL a week before it happened, then
daily after it happened:

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=732174

I can't remember why it was retired to be honest.

> Maybe our os-release docs should mention that this is the latest
> *known* support date, and suggest that people refresh the OS to newest
> set of relevant package to get newer info.

Reasonable.  I'd love it if we had a real telemetry service that could
do a bunch of things including this, but I believe the community would
likely reject that so I'm not even going to propose it.

josh
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