On 01:07 Wed 11 May , Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Ben Cotton wrote: > > == Summary == > > This is initial step to move JDKs to be more like other JDKs, to build > > proper transferable images, and to lower certification burden of each > > binary. Long storyshort, first step in: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoveFedoraJDKsToBecomePortableJDKs > > > > This first step will move, one by one, individual JDKs in F37 to be > > built `--with-stdc++lib=static` and against in-tree (bundeld) > > libraries: `--with-zlib="bundled" --with-freetype="bundled" > > --with-libjpeg="bundled" --with-giflib="bundled" > > --withlibpng="bundled" --with-lcms="bundled" > > --with-harfbuzz="bundled" ` > > > > We already made a heavy testing of the behavior, and user should not > > face negative experience. I'm not sure if this is > > > > == Owner == > > * Name: [[User:jvanek| Jiri Vanek]] > > * Email: jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx > > Let me join the train of -1 votes. I consider this a step entirely in the > wrong direction. The JDK should be linked to system libraries wherever > possible just like our other packages. Language interpreters/JITs are not > exempt from that. In fact, I see very little value in providing JDK packages > at all if they are built that way. > I expect JDK users would disagree with you. JDKs from other vendors (Amazon, Azul, Oracle, etc.) are built in exactly this way. We (and likely other GNU/Linux distributions) are the exception here. > > == Detailed Description == > > Please see > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoveFedoraJDKsToBecomePortableJDKs for > > whole picture > > And this plan is entirely unacceptable. It is just plain not allowed in > Fedora to ship prebuilt binary blobs (even if they are built by Fedora > developers), packages are required to be built from source, and that > requirement is there for good reasons. There have so far been no exceptions > whatsoever to this rule (except temporarily for bootstrapping purposes, > conditional on replacing the prebuilt binary with a rebuilt bootstrapped > package before releasing it). I do not see any reason why Java should get an > exception there. > > If passing the TCK is such an issue, then please just go back to shipping > the packages under the name IcedTea or some other name not trademarked by > Oracle. With Provides and Obsoletes in place, this will make very little > difference in practice for the end user. > It's not a trademark issue [0], but one of user confidence in what is being provided. The "OpenJDK" name can be used as long as it's OpenJDK code that is being built, and not, say, the OpenJDK libraries combined with a non-OpenJDK virtual machine. I think the alternative would be that we reduced testing in a similar way e.g. only run the TCK on the latest released Fedora for each JDK. > Kevin Kofler > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure [0] https://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-trademark-notice.html -- Andrew :) Pronouns: he / him or they / them Senior Free Java Software Engineer OpenJDK Package Owner Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) PGP Key: ed25519/0xCFDA0F9B35964222 (hkp://keys.gnupg.net) Fingerprint = 5132 579D D154 0ED2 3E04 C5A0 CFDA 0F9B 3596 4222
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