Re: Package downgrades on upgrade from F35 to F36 + categorized list

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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 6:06 PM Mattia Verga via devel
<devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Il 28/03/22 16:19, Fabio Valentini ha scritto:
> >
> > Note that this list only includes *Version* downgrades.
> >
> > There's a few dozen more packages that are downgraded because of lower
> > *Release* values, but I didn't yet have time to go through all those
> > (some are probably caused by additional rpmautospec Release increments
> > in older stable branches).
> >
> In a previous thread on this list I asked about how to handle minorbumps
> in older branches and it was replied that it is now fine to have lower
> Release values in stable branches than in Rawhide.
>
> I therefore asked if Packaging Guidelines were to be corrected, but I
> got no reply.
>
> IMO, the situation is we have a (official) tool (rpmautospec) that in
> some cases doesn't comply with FPG, so either the tool should be adapted
> or the FPG should be corrected. And I hope rpmautospec will not be
> abandoned to its fate after many packagers have adopted it in their
> specfiles, like the url macros. AFAIK all the rpmautospec work seems to
> be just on one user shoulders...

You mean this section here?
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/Versioning/#_you_need_to_change_an_old_branch_without_rebuilding_the_others

I think this section can just be dropped now. System upgrades have
operated in "distro-sync" mode for a while, so "Release" going down
just because it's counted differently is not a problem at all.
What remains a problem is stuff like missing forward-ports of bug- or
security fixes, but I didn't yet have time to go through the entire
list *including those where only Release goes down* to weed out false
positives there, too.

I also explicitly didn't say that rpmautospec increasing Release
faster on stable branches than in rawhide is a problem.
It's one of the reasons why I initially ignored the "Release" field
for generating the list of package downgrades.

Fabio
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