Hi
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:16 PM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 05:20:31PM +0400, Marc-André Lureau wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 8:18 PM Kevin Kofler via devel <
> devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > For the record:
> >
> > https://www.msys2.org/docs/environments/#msvcrt-vs-ucrt states:
> > > MSVCRT […] Works out of the box on every Microsoft Windows versions.
> >
> > This is not entirely true. MSVCRT.DLL was introduced in Windows 95 OSR 2.
> > The original Windows 95, with or without the only service pack released
> > for
> > it (SP1, because OSR 2 was not released as a service pack, only as an "OEM
> > service release" for new computers), shipped only the even older
> > CRTDLL.DLL
> > (which MinGW stopped supporting years ago) out of the box, MSVCRT.DLL had
> > to
> > be installed through a redistributable (which was included with many
> > applications including Microsoft Office, but it was not part of the
> > operating system).
> >
> > But yes, for Windows releases ≥ 95 OSR 2 and < 10 (and no, Windows version
> > numbers are not anywhere near monotonic ;-) ), MSVCRT is included out of
> > the
> > box, UCRT is not. Is it really a good default to depend on a runtime
> > library
> > that is only included in Windows ≥ 10?
> >
>
> This proposal doesn't change the default. Although we can discuss whether
> deprecating msvcrt support in Fedora-MinGW would make sense today.
There's a variety of sites claiming to have stats on different
Windows versions. They all show Windows 10 with the majority,
but disagree on just how much older stuff still gets used. As
one example though, this shows Windows 7 with 12 % and
Windows 8.1 on 3 %. That 15% is too significant to declare
that MSVCRT is deprecated yet.
https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/
FYI, UCRT can be installed on various Windows:
We should also look at the cost/benefit for Fedora to ship and maintain MSVCRT environments.
If it's merely for developers to check the build, one target is probably enough.
Release build should be tested on Windows. It is easy to build and test natively with msys2 nowadays, or build for other targets. Why not use that?
Marc-André Lureau
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