Re: Fedora 💔 Java: The Death of Two SIGs

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On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 2:26 PM Robert Marcano via devel
<devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 9/27/21 7:54 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > Robert Marcano via devel wrote:
> >> I think the only way the Java ecosystem to survive in Fedora outside of
> >> OpenJDK and some core components is to allow bundling (Even JavaScript
> >> bundling is already allowed), but how do to it without compromising
> >> security?
> >
> > The problem is that Java projects typically bundle prebuilt binaries, which
> > is a complete no go. The big issue is not that the libraries are bundled, it
> > is that they are bundled in prebuilt binary form, often even without the
> > source code at all.
>
> Even in the case of SCM repositories committed binaries, allowing
> bundling would help a lot, add some kind of automation that replace
> these jar for the proposed local created maven repository, and link to
> them, and add the metadata to the RPM to know it need to be rebuilt when
> that dependency is updated. This is a lot more easier than fighting old
> build scripts that don't use some kind of dependency manager. It will
> probably be hard for these kind of packages, but any modern application
> using using a modern build system could become easier to package.

This is actually 100% how packaging applications that use ant +
bundled dependencies (i.e. often .jar files in a "/lib/" directory)
has worked for ages already.
So the Java packaging tools we have in Fedora support this use case just fine.

Fabio
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