Endless theoretical discussions ... Interesting, but _is_ there real-world, end-user doc available for installing and using papp-et-al on Fedora, today? A "do this now" for end users? TBH, I'm unclear (and no, I haven't gone digging ...) Here, I've got hundreds of networked printers. _Many_ of them old warhorses. E.g., ~ 50 HP LaserJet 4050n. Slow, but incredibly reliable. Unlike the modern 'options' from HP, made cheaply overseas, prone to breakage, and locked down with print-cartridge DRM, these 4050s have outlasted virtually every desktop & server we have, and quite a number of staff as well, and 3rd party parts & cartridges abound. CUPS 2.3.3op2 runs on virtually every Fedora desktop here, in addition to quite a few of the servers. For the 4050s, the drivers are all 'HP LaserJet 4050 Series pcl3, hpcups 3.19.6 (color, 2-sided printing)', and the connections are "socket://static.i.p.address". The PPDs are older than dirt, *PPD-Adobe: "4.3" *%%%% PPD file for HP LaserJet 4050 Series with CUPS. *%%%% Created by the CUPS PPD Compiler CUPS v1.5.0. *% (c) 2008 Copyright HP Development Company, LP *FormatVersion: "4.3" *FileVersion: "3.19.6" ... and work flawlessly. Admittedly, PS drivers are buggy-to-useless, and NONE of the "toner level" reporting seems attached to reality in any way. Neither, for me, has been a concern. Same holds generally true for all other networked printers, with the exception of some of high-volume/color machines that bundle their own raster/spool/networking/etc. If any of that^^ ceases to function, then that'll be a problem. Personally, I'm not the slightest bit interesting in wasting time/money replacing what work s well *AND* losing capbility for the sake of the next bringh-n-shiny OTOH, If papp-future _at_the_very_least_ maintains that^^ functionality through legacy wrappers, then I have zero concerns. Additional features/functionality are welcome gravy. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure