Re: Proposal: drop "Test installation media" from live media

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On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:43 AM Matthew Miller
<mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 08:19:18AM -0500, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> > > I.... gave those reasons in my initial message? Have you experienced a
> > > specific case where bad USB media caused a corrupt install?
> >       If by corrupt install you mean the fedora install froze after
> > USB booted and before it told the install was successful, yes. Like
> > early this year (so I guess it is too far in the past to be relevant
> > to this discussion). Interestingly enough I then dd'ed ubuntu -- just
> > needed to test hardware so any distro with the latest kernel would do
> > -- in it because I thought it was a hardware incompatibility issue and
> > it worked well enough to finish my tests.
>
> To me, the install freezing is not a lot different from the media check
> freezing. We can tell people: if that happens, it's probably a bad USB
> stick. The case that would be really concerning to me if bad media caused an
> install to appear to work but then not boot.

That could happen, but seems unlikely because anything corrupt that
affects the as-installed boot, would also affect the live boot. But
does it result in a crash or does it just result in weird behavior
that looks like a bug?

I don't know what percent of the bytes of the ISO image is read when
booted. 25%? That leaves a chunk of programs and other content in an
installation that could have this corruption, and transferred
undetected to the target system. And how does it manifest? It's a rare
upon rare event, and I expect it will be assumed to be a bug, and
maybe we luck out and it goes away following a software update.

I've suggested dropping the media check a few times over the years,
but always in the context of replacing it with something better,
faster, stronger. :P  While the risk of dropping the media check is
probably low, it's not zero risk.

-- 
Chris Murphy
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