On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 04:03:33PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > Hi, Daniel, > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 3:01 PM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 02:27:13PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > this is the informational message, no action required. > > > > > > Upon agreement between gcc maintainers and ELN SIG we would like to > > > switch ELN buildroot to use GCC11 ahead of Fedora Rawhide. > > > > > > Though ELN is defined as the buildroot where Fedora Rawhide code is > > > rebuilt into EL-like environment, in the ELN proposal we also > > > mentioned that ELN can be used to test certain buildroot-related > > > features on the side so it doesn't block Fedora Rawhide development. > > > > > > We think that GCC11 is one such feature, where we can benefit from > > > testing it first on a small subset of the Fedora content in a separate > > > environment. > > > > I'm not very enthusiastic about this change. > > > > Fedora maintainers can largely ignore ELN right now, because if stuff > > works in rawhide, it will generally work in ELN, and someone else is > > taking care of ELN builds. > > > > > > New GCC releases almost always trigger new compile warnings or bugs > > in code. So by pushing GCC 11 into ELN, it feels like we're making > > it much more likely that ELN builds will fail, and now Fedora > > maintainers have to debug ELN specific problems that won't reproduce > > in rawhide branches :-( > > Expectations for Fedora maintainers does not change. > ELN is a development playground. Think about sidetag, with slightly > better automation around it. > > We provide ELN as the opportunity, option to play with early releases > of the GCC11 on the side. We are not requiring Fedora maintainers to > participate, we are inviting people who may be interested in this > work. As Fedora maintainer I've been sent details of ELN failures / bugs, and asked to deal with fixes for ELN branches, so there's clearly an expectation placed on Fedora maintainers to be engaged in ELN. Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :| _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
