Re: [ELN] gcc is going to be updated to gcc11 in the ELN buildroot ahead of Rawhide

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 04:03:33PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> Hi, Daniel,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 3:01 PM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 02:27:13PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> > > Hi, all,
> > >
> > > this is the informational message, no action required.
> > >
> > > Upon agreement between gcc maintainers and ELN SIG we would like to
> > > switch ELN buildroot to use GCC11 ahead of Fedora Rawhide.
> > >
> > > Though ELN is defined as the buildroot where Fedora Rawhide code is
> > > rebuilt into EL-like environment, in the ELN proposal we also
> > > mentioned that ELN can be used to test certain buildroot-related
> > > features on the side so it doesn't block Fedora Rawhide development.
> > >
> > > We think that GCC11 is one such feature, where we can benefit from
> > > testing it first on a small subset of the Fedora content in a separate
> > > environment.
> >
> > I'm not very enthusiastic about this change.
> >
> > Fedora maintainers can largely ignore ELN right now, because if stuff
> > works in rawhide, it will generally work in ELN, and someone else is
> > taking care of ELN builds.
> >
> >
> > New GCC releases almost always trigger new compile warnings or bugs
> > in code. So by pushing GCC 11 into ELN, it feels like we're making
> > it much more likely that ELN builds will fail, and now Fedora
> > maintainers have to debug ELN specific problems that won't reproduce
> > in rawhide branches :-(
> 
> Expectations for Fedora maintainers does not change.
> ELN is a development playground. Think about sidetag, with slightly
> better automation around it.
> 
> We provide ELN as the opportunity, option to play with early releases
> of the GCC11 on the side. We are not requiring Fedora maintainers to
> participate, we are inviting people who may be interested in this
> work.

As Fedora maintainer I've been sent details of ELN failures / bugs, and
asked to deal with fixes for ELN branches, so there's clearly an expectation
placed on Fedora maintainers to be engaged in ELN.

Regards,
Daniel
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