Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:05 am, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry, but that is not correct.

NetworkManager can handle split-dns just fine, by using dnsmasq and
reconfiguring it via dbus when vpn connections come and go.  I can
easily add more servers + zones by dropping a config file snippet into
the /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d/ directory, for example to resolve the
hostnames for my kvm guests on the libvirt network.

That works for ages on my RHEL-7 workstation where systemd-resolved
doesn't even exist ...

We actually considered dnsmasq, but NetworkManager developers recommended systemd-resolved. See: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/123#comment-621603

I agree dnsmasq would have been a lot better than the status quo prior to F33. We would probably have used that if systemd-resolved didn't exist. If we could have a do-over, we should have started using it long ago.

 So sending the requests to all available DNS servers in absence of
 better routing info is a great enabler:

I fail to see why sending queries to all servers is a good plan.  The
redhat vpn dns servers surely can't resolve the hostnames for my local
lan, and frankly they shouldn't even know which hosts I try to access.
Likewise my ISP shouldn't know which non-public RH servers I try to
access.

I've tried to stop this line of discussion a bit earlier, since it's based on a misunderstanding of how NetworkManager uses systemd-resolved. I agree we should prioritize avoiding DNS leaks, and that's actually the primary motivating factor for the switch to systemd-resolved (you can see how much more attention I devote to this topic in the change proposal compared to the other benefits of systemd-resolved). NetworkManager will not configure systmed-resolved to send queries all over the place. We need a local resolver (systemd-resolved, dnsmasq, etc.) to ensure DNS queries go where users expect; it's not something we can do with traditional resolv.conf managed by NetworkManager.

Michael

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