Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

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On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 12:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
> 
> > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search domains are
> > specifically used for resolving non-FQDN to FQDN. This isn't a reliable way to
> > see what domains are handled by a VPN, or by any DNS server.
> > 
> > The Red Hat VPN is a good example of this, as not every internal subdomain is
> > in search domains. That's the case for many VPNs, corporate or personal.
> 
> Please read what I wrote: we have nothing better. And no it's not a
> perfectly complete solution, I am aware of that. Configure the routes
> explicitly if you want, it's easy, and add the extra domains to the
> per-interface route and all will be jolly. If you don't, then things
> will still work, but mean that queries that aren't listed in any
> search domains will be sent to both the VPN and the main iface DNS,
> thus the RH VPN will work perfectly fine — only drawback is that
> those internal domains not listed as search domains might be seen on
> the internet. But what would expect here happens? If you don't tell us
> the routing we cannot do fully perfect routing to your wishes, you
> need to give us something.
> 
> Search domains on VPNs are an indicator that these domains are handled
> by the VPN, that's why we use them also as routing domains. But this
> doesn't mean it's the *only* routing domains we use. We use the ones
> you configure, primarily. But since the concept didn't previously exist
> we make the best from what we have.

I see conflicting information here from you and Michael Catanzaro.

You have mentioned quite a few times a fan out and leakage of name
searches on all interfaces, while Michael said in response to me that
if you do not select the magic option to do split DNS routing that all
queries should go to the VPN only, which is it ?

And how do you configure domains that are not provided as search domain
by the VPN so that they automatically are searched for via the VPN (and
flushed at the time) when the VPN comes up?

In split DNS situation fan out is quite bad because you can get
completely different answers, where generally the VPN has the correct
answer for you but the local DNS server will probably win the latency
game ...

Simo.

-- 
Simo Sorce
RHEL Crypto Team
Red Hat, Inc



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