> Am 09.09.2020 um 11:28 schrieb Guido Aulisi <guido.aulisi@xxxxxxxxx>: > IMHO we could package only the JDK and let the user use Java software directly from upstream. > Usually upstream means Apache, which is a trusted source, and Java users are smart enough to manage the Java packages. > I usuali do so when using maven, hadoop, tomcat, etc. Sorry, I think you negligently underestimate the importance of Java packages. Even for a 'simple' Tomcat you need system management infrastructure, log file management, consistency with other programs and libraries, update management and much more. Neither a download of an Apache Binary nor maven can help. Maven is great if you need libraries for development, and perhaps for updating individual libraries in a running system. We urgently need a solution for the listed problems. So in short Manpower. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx