On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson <Bjorn@rombobjörn.se> wrote: > >> Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > >>> More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change > >>> kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) > >> This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user > >> interface was nothing but a prompt. You had to know what to type or > >> you'd be stuck. > >> > >> Information for others like me who haven't seen Lilo since Grub came > >> along: Apparently development of Lilo continued until just five years > >> ago, and it grew a menu at some point. I guess that menu is the image > >> of user-friendliness that Johann was trying to invoke. > >> > > If I ever wanted to switch to another boot manager, I'd seriously like > > us to consider rEFInd: https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ > > > > It's a very nice boot manager that looks good and doesn't suck. And > > purportedly is somewhat (if not fully) compatible with bls. > > > > sd-boot is too barebones and unfriendly to use, which makes sense > > since it was designed for non-interactive machines and not humans to > > use. > > If there is this general feel that sd-boots configuration syntax is much > harder to read and the ability of not having to run additional command > once the file has been edited or the ability to be able to easily > maintain and manage multiple kernels or multiple operating systems due > those being a drop-in configuration text files, is considered being too > bare bone and *less* user-friendly than grub, then obviously me creating > a change proposal based on what Javier suggested along with other > cleanups to provide as best user experience as can be had with sd-boot > would be doing the distribution a great disservice would it not? > Oh, I don't care about the configuration syntax. That part would be the same across grub, refind, and sd-boot anyway. The user-interactive portion of sd-boot is *awful*. I know our GRUB looks ugly by default these days too, but it doesn't have to be, and most distros actually do make it look semi-decent. But alas, nobody cares about making that part look nice, because they hope people don't have to go there at all. But even Windows makes their boot manager not look ugly and relatively easy to navigate. And obviously Apple has done this forever with macOS. I honestly don't get why everyone is okay with butt-ugly and user-unfriendly UX. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
