On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 1:20:18 PM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight > compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier > to maintain ). Sure, gummiboot is more lightweight than GRUB. It also doesn't support a lot of the features that GRUB does, such as full disk encryption (with stub in MBR). > It already integrates with the service management framework (systemd). That's one of the problems with it. What does an init system have to do with the bootloader? > More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change > kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) I'm pretty sure GRUB has a much more user friendly interface than systemd- boot.. Additionally, you can even drop to a cmdline if needed, in GRUB. > Gnome related changes such as Hans is proposing might be easier to > integrate for the desktop team ( less work, problem being fixed where it > arguably should be as opposed to systemd,grub and gnome for his feature > to work and more future proof work for the desktop team). GNOME related changes.. to a bootloader? Sorry, I haven't heard of any of those. Can you point me to a thread or page describing that kind of thing? That sounds a bit.. odd, to say the least. Regardless, if that's going to be a thing, it'd be perfectly fine, in my opinion, for Workstation to use systemd-boot on UEFI by default, and GRUB only on BIOS boot systems, while the rest of Fedora continues to use the more powerful bootloader. > Could help further adapt UEFI and secure boot which the industry is > moving towards which helps keep Fedora moving along with it. GRUB2 supports UEFI, quite well in fact. > Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning to > Fedora [1]. How's that? If you mean that users that have used GRUB prefer it over systemd- boot, I'd be inclined to agree, but I don't see how it'd prevent people from returning to Fedora. > Bottom line I think this will be a good move for the distribution and a > good time to start looking into and make that move. I have to disagree. The more systemd bloat that gets thrown into the mix, the more concerned I become with this path. We already have a powerful and mature project in GRUB2, which supports UEFI well, and is known to be stable. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
