On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:03:12AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 12:58 -0400, Neil Horman wrote: > > > From this thread you can find at least two people (me and Ben > > > Rosser) > > > who definitely didn't keep using vi (my very next questions were > > > "what's an easier editor to use?" and "how do I change the default > > > editor to something else?"), and are still sufficiently frazzled by > > > the > > > experience that we still refuse to. :P > > > Right, and I acutally think thats great. You had a problem, you > > asked the > > questions you needed answers to, and solved your problem. I > > personally think > > the process of identifying whats bothering you, figuring out a > > solution (by > > asking questions, getting answers and experimenting), and then > > implementing your > > fix is actually a pretty good user experience in and of itself > > (though that may > > just be me). :) > > That is not how it felt at the time :P > > It's really the point about Unexpected Forcible Learning. If I sit down > at my computer and think "right, I'm going to learn to do X", that's > one thing. I am mentally prepared to spend some time stumbling around > working out how to do X. > > The problem with this experience is that's not how it happens. You > don't sit down and thinking "today I'm going to learn how to use vi" or > "today I'm going to learn about console text editors and the $EDITOR > variable". You were intending to do something else, and you were > suddenly sandbagged by this fracking weird thing you have no idea what > it is that got in the way of the something else you were trying to do. > > Yes, eventually you learn something, but it's not a "pretty good user > experience", it is a frustrating and annoying one. /me puts a tinfoil hat on what if... what IF ... this whole "vi by default" is a huge conspiracy by the emacs people to make new users hate vi from the earliest stages, thus providing a welcoming environment for them to swoop in and save them with promises of strange shortcuts! I knew it all along! /me completely wraps himself in tinfoil [1] [1] well, aluminium foil because it's too hard to get decent tinfoil these days, not like back in my days when it was snowing uphill both ways _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
