Re: Re-Launching the Java SIG

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On 5/18/20 8:24 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:

Dude, chill out. We're not going to go back to running X as root. The Nvidia overclocking tool is just not important at all (seriously, who cares?). If you're upset their proprietary software doesn't work anymore, you can ask them nicely to fix it please... or ask for the source code, and see how far that gets you. ;)


I'm well aware Fedora has no interest in correcting its breakage of backwards compatibility. If you'd actually read all the messages you'd realize it was all in the name of explaining why distros can't be trusted to package software and shouldn't do it, including Java applications. It went down this path naturally, as discussions tend to do and have on this very mailing list without my involvement.


(someone tried changing the subject line, but as I pointed out, I was just trying to explain why, as objectively as possible, it wasn't as perfect of a solution as they claim)


Of course, instead of reading everything, you decided to make a snide, unfriendly remark that probably violates the CoC. Given you have a Gnome email address I guess I can't say I'm surprised you take the position that you do. Afterall, Gnome has angered many great, talented, and independent extension developers including, IIRC, the developer of one of those most widely used tray icon extensions at the time who later quit out of frustration because Gnome kept breaking things. Indeed, people in general complain about Gnome not playing nice with others.


I'd love to see CoC enforcement on this, but I feel like I'd die of old age before that ever happens.


>Ugh, I just noticed the subject of this thread is Java SIG. Amazing how thoroughly this conversation has been derailed....


Maybe people shouldn't make claims that amount to "packaging software for each distro is the only way to do things" despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.



The kernel gets rebased continuously throughout the life of a Fedora release. mesa updates are also possible when required, especially at the beginning of a release's lifetime. If there are bugs, you can work with the package maintainers....


The issues being talked about aren't specific to Fedora. Fedora does do a better job than average on these sort of things.



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